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Old 11-28-2012, 10:44 PM   Topic Starter
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ESPN 2013 NFL Draft preview...

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If the draft were tomorrow, how many guys would be in play as a No. 1 pick?

Kiper: On my current Big Board, I see five that make sense, with the possibility of seven if we include a quarterback craze factoring in. The five guys I see with value in that range are :

• Jarvis Jones, a brilliant, relentless pass-rusher out of Georgia;

• Manti Te'o, the prototype middle linebacker out of Notre Dame (a very high standing for an interior linebacker, I admit);

• Star Lotulelei, the best defensive tackle in the class, who plays at Utah;

• Luke Joeckel, the best left tackle in the class, of Texas A&M; and

• Damontre Moore, also of Texas A&M, and a rival to Jones as the best current pass-rusher on my board.

The curveballs are the quarterbacks. If a team falls in love with a QB, we know the history. They go at No. 1 an awful lot.
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How does the 2013 QB class stack up to the 2012 class?

McShay: It's early in the process and there's still a lot of tape that needs to be watched. A year ago at this time, I didn't think much of Ryan Tannehill. Come April 1, I really liked him as a top-10 pick.

There's no one right now who I'd sit at a table and fight for, but I still haven't done all the tape. Last year at this time, I mentioned that I liked Tannehill's potential more than I liked Matt Barkley's. And I still believe that's the truth. That's not to say Barkley's a horrible quarterback, and I think it's highly likely he's a first-round draft pick. I think the same of Geno Smith, and there are obvious weaknesses in their games right now.

For both of them, it comes down to finding the right fit and making a decision based on how high the potential is for what that team does. I think Barkley will only be successful in a West Coast offense where you can limit the amount of down-the-field throws, and his vertical accuracy isn't that good.

With Smith, I think he's still developing as a quarterback. He's a smart kid, he works unbelievably hard and he has all the intangibles you're looking for, but a little bit like Christian Ponder, he didn't always transfer that information on the field. Ponder would often lock in on his initial read, and I think there's a lot of the same questions about Smith.

This class better resembles the 2011 class than the 2012 class.
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Which team is in line to make the biggest splash?

Kiper: Even before we know the draft order, two teams come to mind. Congrats, Missouri! Rams and Chiefs fans should plan to get to Radio City.

For the Rams, it's a matter of volume. Right now, they're the only team in line to have two first-round picks thanks to getting two future first-rounders in the deal that allowed the Redskins to grab RG3. Those picks would be at Nos. 13 and 15 overall if the draft were held tomorrow. That's major impact potential, and this for a team that already has a glut of young talent, particularly on defense.

Kansas City is also in line to deliver a huge splash. The Chiefs could draft No. 1 overall, and quarterback is a huge need. Right now, I don't have a QB rated among my top 20 overall players, but when that position is a major need, sometimes the value equation changes. That said, what if the Chiefs were to take Te'o with their first pick, and then target value at quarterback early in Round 2, landing them Smith, Barkley, Tyler Wilson, a talent like Mike Glennon or a high-ceiling project like Logan Thomas? It's so early that the QB evaluations will change a great deal (think of where RG3 was last year before the combine and workout process) and K.C. will have time to figure out the value at that early pick. But for splash, they're an early candidate.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:47 PM   #2
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Kiper gone full reerun.

All the qbs available in the second?

Smith Wilson Barkley? Second round?

He's been ****ing his mother for far too long
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:47 AM   #3
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Kiper gone full reerun.

All the qbs available in the second?

Smith Wilson Barkley? Second round?

He's been ****ing his mother for far too long
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Exactly.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:26 PM   #4
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Kiper gone full reerun.

All the qbs available in the second?

Smith Wilson Barkley? Second round?

He's been ****ing his mother for far too long
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This. That was the dumbest ****ing thing I've read since Spongebob posted..well...anything.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:52 PM   #5
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Yeah that's a joke that both think some of those names will last until the 2nd round.
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:48 AM   #6
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Yeah that's a joke that both think some of those names will last until the 2nd round.
Not some. ALL.

Kiper basically said there won't be a QB picked in the 1st round.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:54 PM   #7
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More proof that Kiper and McShay know jack shit. I like Te'o, but it would be the worst pick value wise in NFL history if the Chiefs select him first overall. I would be done as a Chiefs fan.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:56 PM   #8
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More proof that Kiper and McShay know jack shit. I like Te'o, but it would be the worst pick value wise in NFL history if the Chiefs select him first overall. I would be done as a Chiefs fan.
I actually like McShay. He's 100x better than Kiper.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:01 PM   #9
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I actually like McShay. He's 100x better than Kiper.
Well staring at a wall for 40 hours straight is more fun than having your legs chopped off, doesn't mean I want to stare at the wall. I do enjoy McShay just from the perspective of how clearly threatened Kiper is by him.
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:49 AM   #10
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Well staring at a wall for 40 hours straight is more fun than having your legs chopped off, doesn't mean I want to stare at the wall. I do enjoy McShay just from the perspective of how clearly threatened Kiper is by him.
Why would Kiper be threatened by McShay? Kiper at least actually WATCHES film and evaluates players, even if his opinions are bullshit at times.

McShay basically does the same thing Rick Gosselin does, only he's never close to right.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:58 AM   #11
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Why would Kiper be threatened by McShay? Kiper at least actually WATCHES film and evaluates players, even if his opinions are bullshit at times.

McShay basically does the same thing Rick Gosselin does, only he's never close to right.
Because McShay is moving in on his turf. I think its pretty clear that Kiper hates the fact that another analyst is on the set with him.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:00 PM   #12
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lol, no QBs in the top 20... lol! Congrats on that first pick boys and girls.
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lol, no QBs in the top 20... lol! Congrats on that first pick boys and girls.
If Luck was in this year's draft we would have 5 wins right now. That being said, what these "experts" say doesn't promise that no quality QB comes from the top 5. Hell, it may ensure it. The idea that Geno and Matt will be there in the 2nd is a joke. What talent they have doesn't matter, no way they last that long. How an expert doesn't see that is crazy.
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If Luck was in this year's draft we would have 5 wins right now. That being said, what these "experts" say doesn't promise that no quality QB comes from the top 5. Hell, it may ensure it. The idea that Geno and Matt will be there in the 2nd is a joke. What talent they have doesn't matter, no way they last that long. How an expert doesn't see that is crazy.
fair enough, all I'm saying is that the drop from last year to this year is pretty dramatic. The 2011 QB draft pretty much sucked.
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