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Old 12-19-2000, 06:01 AM   Topic Starter
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Sparked by other conversations, Bob Dole was discussing KC's QB situation with another KC fan at the bar last evening when we arrived at a point of disagreement.

Most of the people here want Elvis to renegotiate his contract and return next season. Most of us also agree that Warren isn't the backup we perhaps thought he was prior to the San Diego game. Bob Dole assumes Collins in a big [b]?[/b] since there's never really much discussion about him.

The point of disagreement was whether we should find a QB with a "style" similar to Elvis', or find a QB that "compliments" Elvis.

Bob Dole's position was that we should acquire a 2nd QB with a similar style of play (i.e. primarily a pocket passer as opposed to a scrambler). The primary reason for this position is that differing style would require significant adjustments to play calling, blocking schemes, etc., where a QB with similar style could be more "plug and play."
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Old 12-19-2000, 06:03 AM   #2
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For those that missed it in the other thread, here are the available free agents.

<table border=1 cellspacing=0>
<tr><td>Batch, Charlie <td>DET <td>Restricted
<tr><td>Cherry, Mike <td>NYG <td>Unrestricted
<tr><td>Detmer, Koy <td>PHI <td>Unrestricted
<tr><td>Dilfer, Trent <td>BAL <td>Unrestricted
<tr><td>Foley, Glenn <td>SEA <td>Unrestricted
<tr><td>Frerotte, Gus <td>DEN <td>Unrestricted
<tr><td>Garcia, Jeff <td>SF <td>Unrestricted
<tr><td>Graziani, Tony <td>ATL <td>Unrestricted
<tr><td>Griese, Brian <td>DEN <td>Restricted
<tr><td>Harbaugh, Jim <td>SD <td>Restricted
<tr><td>Johnson, Brad <td>WAS <td>Unrestricted
<tr><td>Justin, Paul <td>DAL <td>Unrestricted
<tr><td>Kitna, Jon <td>SEA <td>Unrestricted
<tr><td>Lucus, Ray <td>NYJ <td>Restricted
<tr><td>Moreno, Moses <td>SD <td>Unrestricted
<tr><td>Tolliver, Billy Joe <td>NO <td>Unrestricted
</tr></table>
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Old 12-19-2000, 06:09 AM   #3
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And here are Kiper's top 5 draftable QBs:

<table border=1 cellspacing=0><tr><td>Drew Brees<td>Purdue<tr><td>Chris Weinke<td>Florida St.<tr><td>Sage Rosenfels<td>Iowa St.<tr><td>Marques Tuiasosopo<td>Wash.<tr><td>Josh Heupel<td>Oklahoma</td></tr></table>

It would appear at this point that any of them would be available, unless San Diego grabs Brees with the first pick. (Bob Dole imagines they're a little gun shy picking a QB first, though.)

[This message has been edited by Robert_Dole (edited 12-19-2000).]
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Old 12-19-2000, 06:46 AM   #4
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(Bob Dole's soliloquy continues...)

Bob Dole figures we're all in agreement that Tolliver is a giant "no," and Harbaugh is only 2 months younger than Bob Dole, so he's not a viable option.

Batch, Griese, Dilfer and Garcia are probably staying where they are. Frerotte, despite his play against KC, will likely be someone's starter (Bob Dole will guess San Diego). Bob Dole is going to throw out Kitna because...well...hell, he's Kitna for krissakes.

So Bob Dole's pared down list includes (in no particular order):

Cherry
Detmer
Foley
Graziani
Johnson
Justin
Lucas
Moreno
Brees
Weinke
Rosenfels
Tuiasosopo
Heupel
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Old 12-19-2000, 07:04 AM   #5
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The list shortens...

Foley and Justin aren't even showing up on the NFL.com roster list (and Bob Dole is too lazy to look anywhere else). Detmer and Graziani s#ck. Unless there are some shakeups with cuts after the draft, there ain't much out there.

Cherry
Johnson
Lucas
Moreno
Brees
Weinke
Rosenfels
Tuiasosopo
Heupel

Bob Dole's guess at this point would be that we keep Collins at #2 and draft another QB in the second round.
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Old 12-19-2000, 07:28 AM   #6
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Folks are saying that Weinke will go late because of his age. Frankly, I'd love to have a guy with that much maturity on my team. He's a pocket passer, has good arm strength and intelligence, and will probably be available in the the 2nd round. Sounds like a good pick to me.

I'm not sold on Huepel, and haven't seen Tuiasosopo that much to make a good call.

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Old 12-19-2000, 07:36 AM   #7
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If KC is looking for a backup, I'd take Lucas or Brees. Too bad we can't bust the bank for Garcia, but being a 49er QB, I'm sure we'll get him when he becomes a free agent at age 35.

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Old 12-19-2000, 07:44 AM   #8
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The highly unreliable Yahoo FF roster lists Foley as still in Seattle and Justin now on the Rams roster.

I would cross Johnson off the list as well. Although he fits the proper criteria to operate the KC offense in Grbac's stead, he will be starting somewhere in the NFL next year.
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Old 12-19-2000, 08:12 AM   #9
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Cherry, though on the Giants roster for 4 years, has virtually no NFL experience. Bob Dole thought he went to NFLE one year, but couldn't find any stats (though admittedly, Bob Dole did not expend much effort).

Bob Dole would assume he's shown _something_ or NY wouldn't have kept him around that long...

Of course, we let Blundin carry a clipboard for quite a few seasons.
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Old 12-19-2000, 08:20 AM   #10
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Who in the hell is "Sage Rosenfels?" Is that some kind of alias or something? I still think that we could coax Leonard Dawson out of retirement if we try hard enough.

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Old 12-19-2000, 08:26 AM   #11
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Here's TSN's preseason analysis of Cherry, FWIW:

[i]"Quarterbacks: Third-stringer Mike Cherry will get a long look in camp and in preseason games and must prove worthy of staying on the roster beyond 2000 -- when he will be a free agent. He has seen so little action in three seasons that it is difficult to know what to make of him."</i>
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Old 12-19-2000, 08:31 AM   #12
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Don't really know much about Sage Rosenfels, but you can watch him play in the Insight.com Bowl on December 28th on ESPN.
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Old 12-19-2000, 08:34 AM   #13
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I predict based on the location that we select in the 3rd or 4th round a sleeper out of Kearney-Nebraska, Justin Coleman 6'5" 220lbs. Stevensons Scouting Service has him listed as the 3rd best QB prospect in the draft...I question whether or not he is truly the 3rd best prospect in the draft but this is screaming Carl Peterson sleeper pick to me...On a side note, back in the college days JL80 rolled in the rack with the University of Nebraska-Kearney football coaches daughter...
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Sage is one of those large Grbac type QB's. He seems to be pretty smart, although I haven't seen him enough to say he will do well in the big leagues.
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Old 12-19-2000, 08:38 AM   #15
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Sage is listed at 6'4" 217 with a 4.86 in the 40.

[i]'Prototype NFL size... Very mobile, excellent at making plays outside of the pocket... Some question his arm strength, but he seems to have the ability to make nearly every throw that will be asked of him at the next level.'</i>
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