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Old 03-23-2013, 03:29 PM  
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Expectations and Alex Smith
Just curious. Inspired by the ongoing thread about "Geno fan" expectations, and I'm curious what the thinking is on the other side of the fence. What do people expect out of Alex Smith over the next, let's say, 2-5 years? Specifics, even, yardage and TDs, wins and losses, offensive rankings, etc. This is not a thread with an agenda, I'm genuinely curious what people think, so let's try to keep this from turning into snipe thread #368.
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:00 AM   #376
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:04 AM   #377
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A) Alex Smith played well enough under Urban Meyer to get drafted 1.1.

B) Mike Martz doesn't coach to the player, he puts players into his system whether they fit or not.
A) He was a on the forefront of the spread QB craze. In hindsight, his selection at 1.1 was a wild reach.

B) Well.. then that's a reflection of Martz's poor coaching philosophy and Alex's limitations as a player.
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:12 AM   #378
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Have you looked at our second round picks the last 10 years? Which one was a first round talent?

You can't make a second round pick into a first round by talking about an unknown player that hasn't even been drafted yet. You are making that pick a first round talent when it could just as easily be a bust. The fact that you think you need to exaggerate to make your point says more about you than anything.
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A second round pick and a third round pick equate to a mid to late first.

The 34th pick is worth 580 draft value points. The 16th pick in the second round is worth 420 points....that equates to 1000 points, which is what the 16th pick in the first round is worth. If we only give up a third next year That's worth 190 points, added to the 580 we give up this year, that's 770 points given up...the equivalent of the 21st pick in the first round.

So, yes, we did give up a first round pick worth of draft compensation for Alex Smith.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:02 AM   #379
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A) He was a on the forefront of the spread QB craze. In hindsight, his selection at 1.1 was a wild reach.

B) Well.. then that's a reflection of Martz's poor coaching philosophy and Alex's limitations as a player.
Neither of those things changes the fact that those two coaches aren't examples that support Mr. Pink's thesis that Alex Smith has had all the opportunities in the world to thrive under great coaching and has failed.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:10 AM   #380
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I expect a Cassel-esque performance of garbage QB play that will occasionally spike upwards to "pretty good" once Smith ends up on the hotseat.

Those spikes will save his job for about three years.

Eventually, Andy Reid will be sacked, we will have this conversation in four years about how it was damn time given his unwavering support for Smith.

He will then be replaced by somebody like John Harbaugh, who will immediately trade for the best backup in the NFL and sign him to a four year extension. Season ticket sales will skyrocket in year 1 before hitting a new low by year 4.

Four years later, Harbaugh will be axed and we'll all wonder why he never gave the backup QB he traded for any competition.

At that point, Peyton Manning should be flaming out of his first head coaching job. We'll probably hire him up. Mannig will immediately trade for the NFL's best backup QB that year and sign him to a 4-year extension. Season ticket sales will skyrocket in year 1 before hitting a new low by year 4.

Four years later, Manning will be axed and we'll all wonder why he never gave the backup QB he traded for any competition.

He will then be replaced by Dda;lkfj;alkdfalkdjf Wjepofrajf2jojafl who will immediately will trade for the NFL's best backup QB. Season ticket sales will skyrocket in year 1 before hitting a new low in year 4.

Four years later, Dda;lkfj;alkdfalkdjf Wjepofrajf2jojafl will be axed and we'll all wonder why he never gave our QB any real competition.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:49 AM   #381
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And that's exactly why they are 2nd round picks, right?

Only the 1st round is where you get players who are guaranteed to work out.
You mean, like Alex Smith picked #1 overall. Yeah, that really worked out. Cue Jamarcus Russell.
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You mean, like Alex Smith picked #1 overall. Yeah, that really worked out. Cue Jamarcus Russell.


You couldn't spot sarcasm if it hit you in the face. Not an intelligent 49ers fan among ya.
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You mean, like Alex Smith picked #1 overall. Yeah, that really worked out. Cue Jamarcus Russell.
you are so far on kaeps dick, that you cant even realize the truth. Alex Smith, after 8 years in the league just fetched the 49ers a second round pick and a second pick that could become a second round pick.

You are such a ****ing tool.........
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You couldn't spot sarcasm if it hit you in the face. Not an intelligent 49ers fan among ya.
First thing we actually agree on. He has a blow up doll of kaepernick in his house that he spends 14 hours a day sucking off. He cant possibly see anyone other than kaep. Dont lump us all in with that wind bag.....
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If you look at the chart that rates picks off a points system, you combine this years second with next years 2nd or 3rd and you have essentially given up a first round talent. One of the 2 players we would have drafted in those rounds would end up a franchise player or game changer. Guaranteed.

So drop your stupid ****ing argument that its a 2nd round pick. We know what it IS. IT IS ESSENTIALLY A FIRST ROUND PICK. shut the **** up about it you clowndick mother ****er.
the problem you have just created for yourself, is that it is EASY to track the two picks that you gave up, and if they arent megastars as you are predicting,, you will look like a bigger dick than you already do. The fact is that no draft pick is a guaranteed thing, until they ARE a guaranteed thing.

Alex Smith, while not a super star, is PROVEN, the two draft picks you gave up, could easily become busts........
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Based on the short list I provided, there are certainly players with "first round talent" available.
i could of missed one, but, couldnt help but notice, of that list you provided, not ONE single chief........
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