NFL Draft Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

BigCatDaddy · 05-02-2013, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

There wasn't a good one to draft. They did the best thing by not tying us to a QB that is not good. They were trying. Just not trying to please "the fans".

NO! You have no idea that there "wasn't a good one to draft". Once the 2015 season is over than you MIGHT be able to say "There wasn't a good QB in the 2013 class".

Chief Roundup · 05-02-2013, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

NO! You have no idea that there "wasn't a good one to draft". Once the 2015 season is over than you MIGHT be able to say "There wasn't a good QB in the 2013 class".

I guess it depends on if you believe in history or not. I guess it depends on if you think Tom Brady and QBs like that happen all the time. They don't happen very often. I see that trend continuing to happen.

You have no idea if there is a good one either.

tooge · 05-02-2013, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

NO! You have no idea that there "wasn't a good one to draft". Once the 2015 season is over than you MIGHT be able to say "There wasn't a good QB in the 2013 class".

and you MIGHT be able to say there was

BigCatDaddy · 05-02-2013, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tooge

and you MIGHT be able to say there was

Correct, but that's why they are paid millions of dollars a year. To get it right, so I don't want to hear "Well QB A wasn't projected to go that high or do that well" as an excuse if one of these QB's become good.

Chief Roundup · 05-02-2013, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Correct, but that's why they are paid millions of dollars a year. To get it right, so I don't want to hear "Well QB A wasn't projected to go that high or do that well" as an excuse if one of these QB's become good.

By that notion a GM couldn't say well that player was projected to be that good and go that high when that player fails.

Messier · 05-02-2013, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

NO! You have no idea that there "wasn't a good one to draft". Once the 2015 season is over than you MIGHT be able to say "There wasn't a good QB in the 2013 class".

Right now, no one knows what will happen with the QBs. Judging by what most teams did in the draft, they feel there isn't a special QB available. This might even be one of those years where the best QB was taken late or not at all. Heck, I give Matt Scott must about as much chance to hit as Geno Smith.

Are you saying even if the QB that becomes a good starter was a late pick or undrafted , the Chiefs are stupid for not taking that QB 1.1? If so that's dumb.

BigCatDaddy · 05-02-2013, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Right now, no one knows what will happen with the QBs. Judging by what most teams did in the draft, they feel there isn't a special QB available. This might even be one of those years where the best QB was taken late or not at all. Heck, I give Matt Scott must about as much chance to hit as Geno Smith.

Are you saying even if the QB that becomes a good starter was a late pick or undrafted , the Chiefs are stupid for not taking that QB 1.1? If so that's dumb.

No. I'm saying given the current QB situation they are dumb for at least not throwing a dart at it. They could have had their pick of every QB except Geno and EJ in the 3rd twice and passed. If EJ or Geno hit than they are dumb for not taking them #1, of if any of the 4th round crop hits than they are dumb for not taking them in the 3rd or 4th. We have MAJOR question marks at the QB position.

Chief Roundup · 05-02-2013, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

No. I'm saying given the current QB situation they are dumb for at least not throwing a dart at it. They could have had their pick of every QB except Geno and EJ in the 3rd twice and passed. If EJ or Geno hit than they are dumb for not taking them #1, of if any of the 4th round crop hits than they are dumb for not taking them in the 3rd or 4th. We have MAJOR question marks at the QB position.

So with your ifs in there you are already trying to use hindsight about what might happen with these players.
That has nothing to do with the moment you are making the decision.
If you are more worried about a mistake then you won't make a correct decision.

Messier · 05-02-2013, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

No. I'm saying given the current QB situation they are dumb for at least not throwing a dart at it. They could have had their pick of every QB except Geno and EJ in the 3rd twice and passed. If EJ or Geno hit than they are dumb for not taking them #1, of if any of the 4th round crop hits than they are dumb for not taking them in the 3rd or 4th. We have MAJOR question marks at the QB position.

You believe this because you hate Alex Smith. I think he will be better than Geno or Manuel, or Barkley, at least in the short term, maybe always.

At the first pick in round two, I feel there was no QB that will be better than Alex Smith.

You want a team with major question marks at QB. The New York Jets.

BigCatDaddy · 05-02-2013, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

You believe this because you hate Alex Smith. I think he will be better than Geno or Manuel, or Barkley, at least in the short term, maybe always.

At the first pick in round two, I feel there was no QB that will be better than Alex Smith.

You want a team with major question marks at QB. The New York Jets.

I don't "hate" Alex Smith. I believe he is not a QB that is capable of "leading" a team to the SB, so I'd rather buy a scratch off ticket that gives me a 10-20% chance of getting that guy.

Chief Roundup · 05-02-2013, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I don't "hate" Alex Smith. I believe he is not a QB that is capable of "leading" a team to the SB, so I'd rather buy a scratch off ticket that gives me a 10-20% chance of getting that guy.

I would like to see what those percentages actually are, based on past SB winning QBs and where they were drafted.
We have all seen where the 1st round QB dominates the SB wins category.
But I would imagine that it is less than 5% of 1st round QBs ever win a SB.

Fat Elvis · 05-02-2013, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

No. I'm saying given the current QB situation they are dumb for at least not throwing a dart at it. They could have had their pick of every QB except Geno and EJ in the 3rd twice and passed. If EJ or Geno hit than they are dumb for not taking them #1, of if any of the 4th round crop hits than they are dumb for not taking them in the 3rd or 4th. We have MAJOR question marks at the QB position.

Manuel has a MUCH higher probability to be a winner in this league than Geno. Given that we already had Smith, however, I still wouldn't have taken him until the third round. I know this is hard for the Genoites to comprehend, but I think ASmith gives us the best chance out of all the QBs in this draft to get to the playoffs and win.

Within Reid's system, I think ASmith will have more (OK, at least as many) 300 yard games this year alone than he has his entire career combined. I don't think people realize that in the past 10 years, the Eagles haven't thrown for less than 3500 yards in a season under Reid- even when they really, really sucked. I don't think Reid will finally say, "Whoa, now is the time to stop throwing the ball!" More likely he went out and got the one guy this year who, in his mind, could throw the ball that much--whether any Chiefs fan likes it or not.