Chiefs on verge of a deal with Andy Reid (merged)

[Carlota69]

I just saw it on his Facebook status...

UPDATE:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Update from @mortreport: Cards visit with Andy Reid is off, Chiefs have not scheduled other visits with candidates, hoping to wrap deal Fri.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

a lot of questions would be easily answered if we knew Piolis REAL contract, what he is getting paid, length, etc.

That would answer everything. The fact that it is some hidden gem makes me wonder why it is hidden, how much is he really getting paid to field a 2-14 product. And seems to be the potential root of why Clark is stuck in this mess to begin with.

Because it should be as easy as just ****ing fire him, like AJ Smith, Rod Graves, Tannebaum, etc. Just fire him. But apparently it's not. So it's either Clark really likes him or the contract.

It's likely both.

People want to pretend that a losing football season makes personal relationships desolve right away.

Like i said, these are grown ass men and a 2-14 season isn't gonna make Clark go, "I don't wanna be your friend anymore".

Clark is using Pioli until he doesn't need him anymore, at which time they will part ways. I thought his interview yesterday made that obvious.

As of Today, Scooter is an employee of the Chiefs, and he will do as he's told until Clark no longer needs his services. And as Clark has stated, he HIMSELF will hire the HC and then determine what will be done with Pioli.

That does NOT mean that scooter has to sit in a dark corner until his name is called. It means that Scooter will carry on with his job until told otherwise.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yes and no. The Redskins offensive line isn't highly regarded, yet Morris carved up teams this year. Tampa's first rounder had a very good year and there are other guys that have performed well, certainly better than Arizona's current crop of RB's, taken late or even undrafted (Arian Foster).

And yet many RBs, even those taken high, will fail. Just saying that they'll get one is pretty far out there. There is, at best, a 50% shot that they'll fix the RB situation this offseason - just look at their present roster for evidence of that. Ryan Williams and Beanie Wells are 2nd and 1st round picks, IIRC and they've amounted to nothing.

They're picking high, so they'll have an opportunity to draft some immediate starters on the line plus there's free agency as well.

And why do these things not apply to the Chiefs issues on the D-line? Can they not sign a starter in FA? And you cite examples of immediate successes at OL without also acknowledging that Billy Winn was a 6th rounder and played very well as a starter. Derek Wolf started all season in Denver at DT and racked up 6 sacks. Olivier Vernon had a very nice year in Miami. Crawford played well in Dallas, as did guys like Alexander and Martin in Carolina and Tennessee.

And it's not much tougher to find a guy like that - a passable starter - than it is to find the same among O-lineman. Cordy Glenn was no more valuable than Derek Wolf was. Why is Glenn an 'easy' get when Wolf wasn't?

How do I figure? Well, the Chiefs aren't paying $14 million to TyJack so unless he wants to return to KC, he's gone. Same for Dorsey. Shaun Smith was a non-factor and I seriously doubt they'll want to start the year with Pituitoa, Poe and Bailey. They need depth AND starters.

Then they'll free up $14 million in cap space, will they not? Something tells me they can fill a need on the DL or LB corps with that much change sitting around.

Sorry Man, I don't buy it. We're all told year after year after year how "Defensive line is the most difficult position to learn for rookies". Rarely do these guys make an impact, yet year after year, guards, centers and tackles start and perform well and continue to perform well. The learning curve for a D-lineman is much more severe than it is for a O-lineman.

See above. O-line is a little easier, yes. But AZ also has far worse issues along their O-line. If we stay in a 3-4, our D-Line isn't going to be quite as critical and if we switch to a 4-3 our D-line is in okay shape (with only the OLBs needing to be replaced and those are as easy to find as O-lineman)

Why? Because I don't think that Clark Hunt wants to sign another "retread" to be the starter. I don't think that would energize the fan base. I doubt many people are lining up to see Alex Smith start for KC or even Joe Flacco.

But that's not the discussion. If Reid wants a veteran QB, Hunt will give it to him so the Cards and Chiefs are on equal footing there. If he wants a high-round rookie, the Chiefs are at an advantage over the Cards.

Agree to disagree.

Neither one of us are worth a shit at that...

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yes and no. The Redskins offensive line isn't highly regarded, yet Morris carved up teams this year. Tampa's first rounder had a very good year and there are other guys that have performed well, certainly better than Arizona's current crop of RB's, taken late or even undrafted (Arian Foster).

Washington led the league in rushing this year for the same reason Denver led the league last season and in both cases it didn't have much to do with the running backs.

Overall the absolute must have needs of Arizona are O-line and QB. For the Chiefs it is probably secondary and QB. With QB being a wash and us in better position to fix it I would rather have the Chiefs' needs here. Arizona is still in the beginning of their version of a Cassel debacle. At least we are through with ours.

And as you said Whisenhunt is a decent coach and he only managed 4 wins including a 12 game losing streak. So either he isn't a very good coach or the talent is not what you are making it out to be.

[Dayze]

I'll reserve judgement until I hear what Athan has to say

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I like Arians as much as I like Reid. What's your take?

I think that like Pioli, Pittsburgh fans were willing to rent and load his U-Haul to get him out of town.

I'm concerned that the Colts improvement this year has had more to do with Andrew Luck and rallying around Pagano than Bruce Arians.

I guess if you could give him a cause to rally around, OK.

I just think this season for Indy has been a perfect storm that cannot be sustained.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

It's likely both.

People want to pretend that a losing football season makes personal relationships desolve right away.

Like i said, these are grown ass men and a 2-14 season isn't gonna make Clark go, "I don't wanna be your friend anymore".

Clark is using Pioli until he doesn't need him anymore, at which time they will part ways. I thought his interview yesterday made that obvious.

As of Today, Scooter is an employee of the Chiefs, and he will do as he's told until Clark no longer needs his services. And as Clark has stated, he HIMSELF will hire the HC and then determine what will be done with Pioli.

That does NOT mean that scooter has to sit in a dark corner until his name is called. It means that Scooter will carry on with his job until told otherwise.

That's fine and all but the problem with that is TIME is a factor. Time is working against this theory and the longer Scooter stays there will come a time decisions from "the GM role" need to be made

Clark isnt making any decisions when it comes to players. So yeah that's great Scooter is with the team now in this lull period but come February when this team needs to consider things like RESIGNING PLAYERS, FRANCHISE TAGS, TRANSITION TAGS, CUTS, etc. Do you really want Scooter ****ing Pioli still here?

Because I sure as **** dont want Pioli making another contract negotiation or letting a player walk under him in a Chiefs role ever again

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Zeke

The fans would be behind Gus Bradley pretty quickly. He's the type of guy this town would love in time.

90% of this fanbase has no idea who Gus Bradley is.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

And as you said Whisenhunt is a decent coach and he only managed 4 wins including a 12 game losing streak. So either he isn't a very good coach or the talent is not what you are making it out to be.

*cough* Skelton\Lindley\Hoyer\ (to a lesser degree Kolb)

[ModSocks]

With all that's been said in this thread, man it feels good to have some decent football discussions.

/bro hug

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

90% of this fanbase has no idea who Gus Bradley is.

That's why I said

He's the type of guy this town would love in time.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by Zeke

*cough* Skelton\Lindley\Hoyer\ (too a lesser degree Kolb)

They actually got some production out of Kolb at the start of the season. Something the Chiefs can't say.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

That's fine and all but the problem with that is TIME is a factor. Time is working against this theory and the longer Scooter stays there will come a time decisions from "the GM role" need to be made

Clark isnt making any decisions when it comes to players. So yeah that's great Scooter is with the team now in this lull period but come February when this team needs to consider things like RESIGNING PLAYERS, FRANCHISE TAGS, TRANSITION TAGS, CUTS, etc. Do you really want Scooter ****ing Pioli still here?

Because I sure as **** dont want Pioli making another contract negotiation or letting a player walk under him in a Chiefs role ever again

Time?

Jesus Christ, there hasn't been a single position filled yet across the league.

If Reid and Clark come to an agreement, guess what?

Pioli's gone.

Clark's not going to put Reid on hold until his legal issues are resolved.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

90% of this fanbase has no idea who Gus Bradley is.

And like I said earlier, Bradley can't really mark off the box next to any of the attributes Hunt asked for, at least not authoritatively.

Hunt's looking for a guy with a resume that he can pump and Bradley just doesn't have one.

I've like Bradley for a long time and I think I had a couple of guys with me (SNR and Chiefzilla spring to mind, I think Zach joined us in one of the Cowher threads) so I'd love to have him.

That said, I just don't think he's what Clark's looking for. And were I Clark and had to figure out a way to get this fanbase to give a shit again, I'd probably be in a similar boat.

He needs to get Reid's signature or things are going to get real dicey, real fast.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

They actually got some production out of Kolb at the start of the season. Something the Chiefs can't say.

Hence their 4 wins... vs 2.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Time?

Jesus Christ, there hasn't been a single position filled yet across the league.

If Reid and Clark come to an agreement, guess what?

Pioli's gone.

Clark's not going to put Reid on hold until his legal issues are resolved.

Soon as the Super Bowl ends it will go quick.

you can handcuff Pioli for like a month or two and after that, it's time for GMs to actually do their job around the NFL and get paid like it.

And if he's still here, we are in trouble.