Science is so racist

[Silock]

http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archiv...ck_hole_a.html

A special meeting about Dallas County traffic tickets turned tense and bizarre this afternoon.

County commissioners were discussing problems with the central collections office that is used to process traffic ticket payments and handle other paperwork normally done by the JP Courts.

Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said it seemed that central collections "has become a black hole" because paperwork reportedly has become lost in the office.

Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is black, interrupted him with a loud "Excuse me!" He then corrected his colleague, saying the office has become a "white hole."

That prompted Judge Thomas Jones, who is black, to demand an apology from Mayfield for his racially insensitive analogy.

Mayfield shot back that it was a figure of speech and a science term.

[Silock]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grutter_v._Bollinger

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...rkers_v._Weber

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/htm...0_0616_ZS.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of...J.A._Croson_Co.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adarand...s_v._Pe%C3%B1a

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by wutamess

I swear it's like talking to a deaf mute.
DID YOU NOT SEE THE (NOT YOU)?

No one gives a shit about your hiring practices. Just because "you have black friends" doesn't mean that EVERYONE does. So I understand if they put an umbrella over the entire thing.

Did you not see the part where I said "same as any other business person?"
I'll thank you not to hang the "I have black friends" label on me until you see me using that lame fall-back.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by NewPhin

To paraphrase Chris Rock:

In any given classroom, there will be a few great students, a few horrible students, and the rest fall in the middle. The problem is that the black C student damned sure isn't going to be heading to the front of any line of job applicants. You know what happens to the white C student? Well, he's the president of the USA.

His comedy actually is true.
He touches & nails a few great topics in his comedy.

[markk]

Originally Posted by wutamess

OK so you're not being facetious because you intentionally try to break the stereotype. So you DO know where I'm coming from on some fronts. Now imagine if those black people owned all the businesses you wanted to work for, etc.... what'd be the best way to ensure you get a CHANCE at a job within one of their establishments?

We may be getting somewhere after all.

The best way to secure a job is to make yourself marketable by obtaining relevant skills and education.

To that end I worked through college (twice) and would be looking for jobs in areas in which I have related experience.

I guess the best way to ensure you get a chance at a job is to be professional and build up your qualifications.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by wutamess

His comedy actually is true.
He touches & nails a few great topics in his comedy.

Yes, I particularly enjoy the bit about going to the ATM. Did you like that one?

[Silock]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Hate to break it to you, but MOST PEOPLE, white or black, are born with JACK, (like me...Nothing.) and have to work very hard to get anything.
I have lived in many cities in this country, and there is no doubt in my mind that the playing field in areas with opportunities for the everyday man like you, and I(not the top 1%), is level. Under qualified people are given jobs in these fields when is not necessary. There are plenty of qualified minorities to fill these positions, but I don't think they bother narrowing them down because they just know they need x amount of minorities. I'm pretty sure, having lived in South Fla. this long, that it is mandatory for govenrment establishments here to hire x amount of Haitians. Most of them don't give a **** about anything, and there are plenty of people around here that deserve those jobs. Most of them african americans.

You're missing something, though. It's the fact that even though nearly everyone has to work hard, white people are still more likely to be hired simply based on skin color.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Silock

You're missing something, though. It's the fact that even though nearly everyone has to work hard, white people are still more likely to be hired simply based on skin color.

Where do you get your data? Sounds like speculation to me.

I've sat in on corporate hiring efforts where a black person was specifically sought out in order to satisfy OFCCP requirements. It felt funny talking with the candidate when you knew they were only being hired to placate a govt. regulation.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Yes, I particularly enjoy the bit about going to the ATM. Did you like that one?

Funny you ask that... that's one of my favorite points in his stand-up because it's SO TRUE.

I'm not ducking that minority personal responsibility is key too. Actually I'm actively for it and have had numerous debates within CP concerning it.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by wutamess

Funny you ask that... that's one of my favorite points in his stand-up because it's SO TRUE.

I'm not ducking that minority personal responsibility is key too. Actually I'm actively for it and have had numerous debates within CP concerning it.

Is it true? I just found it funny. Chris Rock cracks me up big time.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by markk

The best way to secure a job is to make yourself marketable by obtaining relevant skills and education.

To that end I worked through college (twice) and would be looking for jobs in areas in which I have related experience.

I guess the best way to ensure you get a chance at a job is to be professional and build up your qualifications.

I've always agreed with that also...
We as minorities have too many options not to succeed today. If we fail it's no one's fault but our own.

[Fairplay]

Originally Posted by wutamess

We have to work double hard at almost everything from speech to grades to appearance to even working twice as hard to prove

[blueballs]

Whoever has the money has the power
we will all be answering to Arabie

[markk]

Originally Posted by Silock

You're missing something, though. It's the fact that even though nearly everyone has to work hard, white people are still more likely to be hired simply based on skin color.

I have interviewed and made hiring decisions before. Not for degree-required jobs, but for some other types of jobs that are unskilled labor basically.

I can tell you that I make a lot of visual judgments. You can tell a lot about people in the first 10 seconds of an interview just by whether or not they bothered to dress professionally, if they bother to sit up straight, make eye contact with you. If they are well-spoken, call you by your name, etc.

I've interviewed way more people who were total jerkoffs who were white kids from the suburbs. I think that when the black kid came in looking for a job for the summer or part time, he felt like he had to impress or he wasn't going to get it. I hired minority applicants all the time, it wasn't that way, but I felt like maybe that was their attitude.

In any case, I'll fill a role with a person who thinks they are at a disadvantage and will have to work hard and make it over someone who just comes in to an interview wearing everyday clothes, slouching and acting bored, already asking about pay raises and days off. Don't matter what color you are.

I think there's a kernel of truth in that if you meet these people I was talking to, ages 16-25 approximately, the ones who thought they were entitled to something were generally white.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by blueballs

Whoever has the money has the power
we will all be answering to Arabie

First you get the money
Then you get the power
All I have in this world
Is my balls, and my word.
Balls and my word.

All I have in this world, ....

(the Ghetto Boys bring it home)

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by wutamess

Funny you ask that... that's one of my favorite points in his stand-up because it's SO TRUE.

I'm not ducking that minority personal responsibility is key too. Actually I'm actively for it and have had numerous debates within CP concerning it.

I like his distinction between wealthy and rich. To paraphrase again:

Wealthy people open schools and change communities. Rich people can blow all their money with a drug habit and end up singing Superfreak in Old Navy ads.