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**The Bad Guy** · 08:07 AM

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-26-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I thought you hated Joe Montana...

I hated him as 49er and stomached him as a Chief.

That said, the Chiefs did take a QB in the second round of the 1992 draft that they thought would learn from Montana and be the QTOTF.

Ace Gunner · 10-26-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

Roughnecks in the house now -- y'all need to keep making noise & hope JW can bring the wood like he does.

History will repeat itself if the Hunt fam continues absentee ownership. As a NYC native and a NYG fan since the sixties, I can tell you ownership is what has made Big Blue a tough, competitive team for almost a century. The Mara fam is what NFL ownership looks up to.

I liked Lamar and his contributions to football, but it was never connected to the Chiefs per se, rather the Chiefs were his "chips" to sit at the table imo. He was a man with vision -- entertainment vision, not football vision.

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Excuse me, but it is milkman and myself that were pissed when the Chiefs traded for Montana. We would have been even more pissed if we would have known that was going to bring GoChiefs to being a Chiefs fan.

It was 2 decades of fail, then the team was finally in position and you trade your opportunity for a long term answer, for a broken Montana.

I should have known then they would never pull the trigger on a 1st round QB again.

BTW- You made a good case for my statement

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-26-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Draft position is irrelevant. In eight years not ONE SINGLE QB was drafted. Not just first or second rounders. Not a single QB. Not one. It's almost like we acquired Trent Green and then Carl Peterson said, "Well, there's our QB for the next 5 years at least! Guess we don't have to do shit about the position until then!"

How could you blame them?

Peterson drafted two second round QB's that bust. He traded for Montana, signed Bono, Gannon and Grbac. There were signs in 1997 that Elvis would be the QB for the next decade, so there was no reason to draft a QB in 1998-2000. Todd Collins, a former first round pick and Buffalo starter was signed as the backup.

In the 90's, the league was dominated by running backs. THAT was the position. Emmitt Smith, Thurman Thomas, etc. and so on. That was the unattainable position.

Also, Trent Green needed a massive amount of help around him. The WR position was weak, he needed upgrades on the offensive line and of course, the defense sucked ****ing ass.

I think it would have been foolish in 2004 for Peterson to package up his draft for Eli, Rivers or Ben when Trent Green was capable of leading a team to the Super Bowl.

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Originally Posted by SNR

Most of the blame for that rests on Gunther Cunningham, I think, who not only said, "We'll stick with Grbac over Gannon, thank you very much" but then didn't bother with shit, believing that Elvis Grbac was totally adequate and good enough to lead his team. Remember, the season before Marty benched Grbac for sucking too much ass. That would be like the Chiefs getting a new coach who said, "Yeah... let's just tweak the roster a bit and roll with Matt. He's good enough to protect the football and win us a few games."

1999 was Gunther's first year, and that was also the supposed "year of the QB". The Chiefs missed out on the first four guys, but you can't tell me they didn't have an extremely glaring need at the position. A trade up from the 14th to the 10th pick or something like that would have been absolutely feasible to nab Daunte Culpepper. Instead, we got John ****ing Tait.

While Culpepper may or may not have been a better selection than Tait, the Chiefs needed a starting left tackle. And keep in mind, the rule changes that really affected the passing game hadn't really gone into effect in 1999. The NFL was still a "Run First" league in most cases.

I have a hard time faulting Peterson for not choosing a first round QB before 2006.

**HemiEd** · 10-26-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

BTW- You made a good case for my statement

I have said it many times on here that I think Lamar must have put it in the Chiefs "bylaws" no more drafting of QBs in the first round.

I don't think Marty really had a clue what he wanted to do at QB in the early 90s. One year it was DeBerg, next year Krieg and draft Blunden, then trade for Montana. It had me confused and still does.

Rasputin · 10-26-2012, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Pat Barnes 1997
James Killian 2005

We didn't draft a single ****ing QB ONCE in 8 years. Not even a ****ing shit ass 7th round year-one training camp cut.

**** you, Carl.

Then we went 6 years from drafting a third round QB with injury proninites with Brodie Croyle 2005 to a 5th rounder in Ricky Stanzi 2011.

Pioli did the same things that Carl Peterson did only did them worse.

He gave Cassell elite money before he could prove he was worthless at the position and didn't have a back up plan or a quality QB to take his place. Again negglecting the draft for a QB prospect just like Carl Peterson did in his time here.

KCTitus · 10-26-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

...While Culpepper may or may not have been a better selection than Tait, the Chiefs needed a starting left tackle. And keep in mind, the rule changes that really affected the passing game hadn't really gone into effect in 1999. The NFL was still a "Run First" league in most cases.

I have a hard time faulting Peterson for not choosing a first round QB before 2006.

It's funny...when it was a running league, KC had the worst record in the NFL for 1000 yard rushers. Even with Okoye and before that Delaney, the entire Marty years had no real 'go to' speed back. He had flashes from a few guys, but not the elite in the league. He made do with a stable of FB's and also ran RB's. Then after the rules changed, KC's had awesome RB's but no QB save for Green.

It's a shame really. Today's league so favors having a good QB it's not funny and KC's mired in this Cassel mess.

Had Peterson not signed Montana, this team would be almost 40 years w/o a playoff win.

Rasputin · 10-26-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I hated him as 49er and stomached him as a Chief.

That said, the Chiefs did take a QB in the second round of the 1992 draft that they thought would learn from Montana and be the QTOTF.

I had high hopes about Matt Blundin & wanted to see him play not Montana. Matt Blundin had four passes four passes to be judged on & then they flat out gave up on him. I don't know where he went after KC and apparently didn't get a shot anywhere else or take advantage of getting a shot? I still had high hopes that he was our QBotf. I fealt then that the Chiefs just didn't put the work in with him during practice as they did the other QBs.

KChiefer · 10-26-2012, 05:38 PM

Holy Jesus. Reading it I thought it was a typo. "They meant playoff win right?" NO. A Chiefs drafted QB hasn't won them a game in 25 years.

"Pardon me, do you have any antifreeze?"

L.A. Chieffan · 10-26-2012, 05:54 PM

Schefter is not a good writer

**RealSNR** · 10-26-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

How could you blame them?

Peterson drafted two second round QB's that bust. He traded for Montana, signed Bono, Gannon and Grbac. There were signs in 1997 that Elvis would be the QB for the next decade, so there was no reason to draft a QB in 1998-2000. Todd Collins, a former first round pick and Buffalo starter was signed as the backup.

In the 90's, the league was dominated by running backs. THAT was the position. Emmitt Smith, Thurman Thomas, etc. and so on. That was the unattainable position.

Also, Trent Green needed a massive amount of help around him. The WR position was weak, he needed upgrades on the offensive line and of course, the defense sucked ****ing ass.

I think it would have been foolish in 2004 for Peterson to package up his draft for Eli, Rivers or Ben when Trent Green was capable of leading a team to the Super Bowl.

While Culpepper may or may not have been a better selection than Tait, the Chiefs needed a starting left tackle. And keep in mind, the rule changes that really affected the passing game hadn't really gone into effect in 1999. The NFL was still a "Run First" league in most cases.

I have a hard time faulting Peterson for not choosing a first round QB before 2006.

1. Elvis never really proved himself to this team. He was injured half of 1997 and sucked shit in 1998. Couldn't even play ball control game manager properly.

2. Todd Collins was a 2nd round pick of Buffalo, not a first.

3. I still don't think you get my point. At least in 1988-1997 Carl spent picks on QBs. 7th rounders here and there, but he kept going back every other year to see what this or that guy could do. None of them just happened to work out.

I don't care if the forward pass was still illegal in the 90s. To not draft a single position for 8 years is irresponsible and just plain dumb.

Titty Meat · 10-26-2012, 06:35 PM

The Chiefs were legit contenders from 93-98 it would have been hard to draft a rookie during that time.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-26-2012, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

1. Elvis never really proved himself to this team. He was injured half of 1997 and sucked shit in 1998. Couldn't even play ball control game manager properly.

2. Todd Collins was a 2nd round pick of Buffalo, not a first.

3. I still don't think you get my point. At least in 1988-1997 Carl spent picks on QBs. 7th rounders here and there, but he kept going back every other year to see what this or that guy could do. None of them just happened to work out.

I don't care if the forward pass was still illegal in the 90s. To not draft a single position for 8 years is irresponsible and just plain dumb.

Carl didn't take over until the 1989 season.

And I have to disagree: The Chiefs failed miserably to find defensive playmakers after DT's death and it would have been irresponsible to spend (or waste) a draft pick on a QB when they felt the offensive side of the ball was championship caliber .

**DeezNutz** · 10-26-2012, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Carl didn't take over until the 1989 season.

And I have to disagree: The Chiefs failed miserably to find defensive playmakers after DT's death and it would have been irresponsible to spend (or waste) a draft pick on a QB when they felt the offensive side of the ball was championship caliber .

This is the logic that caused us not even to consider a QB in '05, which looks like, arguably, the biggest draft mistake in franchise history, given the way things have played out since '06.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-26-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

This is the logic that caused us not even to consider a QB in '05, which looks like, arguably, the biggest draft mistake in franchise history, given the way things have played out since '06.

That's why in my initial post, I mentioned this year specifically.

Carl should have known that a 35 year old QB wasn't going to last much longer.

**DeezNutz** · 10-26-2012, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's why in my initial post, I mentioned this year specifically.

Carl should have known that a 35 year old QB wasn't going to last much longer.

Well, then that's why you're right.

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