Be afraid. Be very afraid.

[Gaz]

Lamar said he wants to keep Carl as GM.

Carl said that he does not plan on replacing Gunther. Of course, he is unlikely to say anything else during the season and he did leave the door open to change his mind. But for now, he's giving Gunther a "thumbs up."

Let us assume the worst: Gunther is the Chiefs Head Coach for the 2001 season.

[b]What if Gunther keeps the Stooges?[/b]

xoxo~
gaz
terrorizing himself.<BR>

[Bwana]

Mark: I like your post in 5. I agree 100%. I fly out to KC to catch a game every year and by the time it is all said and done, I end up laying out over 2k with airfares, tickets, hotels and so on. If the Chiefs organization doesn't make some changes to try to turn things around, 2k will buy a couple of very nice guns to add to my collection.

~Pull your head out of the sand Lamar~

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[mlyonsd]

Even me, self proclaimed Gun homer, am very worried about Lamar's thinking on this one.

[Archie F. Swin]

On Sportscenter last night they announced with smirks on thier faces who plays in the next MNF contest . . . then they giggled for a bit . . . then segued on to show which MNF game had worst combined winning record in history . . . thank goodness KC isnt involved in that stat

oh boy . . . direct me to the lifeboats

[bishop_74]

What DO you do if he keeps the stooges? I don't know. Complain to each other some more? Do we become complacent like the Cowboys fans and admit that our team stinks? Well, what do we do? I am taking serious heat, and frankly, I feel like I deserve it for standing up for my team. We DO blow donkey balls now. That sucks. And I feel like it's going to get worse before it gets better. Even if we do get a new HC, I don't think he could turn this team totally around during the off season. Do you? All I can say if F*** you Carl and Lamar for screwing up my dream for the last 10 years, and heres to the next few. Thanks again.

Dave



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[Tribal Warfare]

Now who's going to the NE game we must as fans voice our displeasure with King Carl and make posters, banners, signs so the national media can see. So his *** will be out of KC next year. This can happen but it has to be a group effort.

[Lightning Rod]

Let's see 14 to 12 go for two or kick the extra point?

Nuff said

[Lightning Rod]

No I take it back that is not enough. If your kids HIGHSCHOOL football coach couldn't figure that one out It would be time for him to go back to teaching drivers-ed.

How the hell did this collection of dullards ever get PROFESSIONAL coaching jobs?

[MrBlond]

Did anyone hear Petersons defense of Gunther going for 1? He said something to the effect of "Well, I know the book says go for 2 in that situation but the head coach has a feel for the direction of the game and BLAH, BLAH, BLAH..." Carl, the GD book is the book for a reason...IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!!! Gun is in over his head. He is unqualified to be a head coach, select a coaching staff, devolop a game plan, pick a RB, Kicker, and CB. Peterson is negligent for deciding he is qualified and should step down in shame.

[TheFly]

Little boy: I see dead Chiefs fans all over the field...<BR>

[Chiefnj]

First, Lamar is an absentee owner who is thrilled that the games are selling out and that the team is somewhat competitive. People make fun of the Snyder's of the league but at least the guy cares and takes affirmative steps to better the team. Carl will remain as G.M.

Second, do you really think that Carl will: a) fire Gunther after only his second year, which would be an admission that Carl picked the wrong person for the job, and b) would appoint a coach from outside the organization who may challenge or question his player acquisitions or philosophy? Carl's ego will not allow either, he stays.

Third, I'm sick of all the blame on the stooges and not Gunther. Gunther sucks as a head coach. It is his job to oversee the stooges. If he doesn't like the soft zone, he should demand a change. If he doesn't like the committee, he should demand a change. All Gunther does is point fingers after the fact, talk about change and then does nothing. It is obvious that the players are unmotivated. Even when the playoffs were attainable we came out completely flat. San Diego was 0-11 and had ten times more emotion than we did, that is sad.

Say Gunther appoints new stooges and assume he actually does a good job picking 3 qualified persons (big assumption looking at what he has picked thus far),we are still left with an incompetent head coach and young players who will have to adjust to a new system in all 3 facets of the game. That will take time - 2 or 3 years. Are you willing to give Gunther that time? Why?

Moral of the story, if you want change, hope Lamar gives the team to his son or somebody who gives a damn.

[HC_Chief]

nj - you said it! I've been echoing that sentiment for over a month now. It all starts at the top - LAMAR MUST PASS ON THE OWNERSHIP; or this team is doomed to repeat their past (and current) failure.

The coaching lately has looked alot more like "the skipper, Gilligan, and thruston howell III" than an NFL staff...of course, i'm not sure where in the he!! the professor is?

[bishop_74]

Chiefnj,
Thanks for making it all seem that much more dismal. I am really sad. I wish I could stand up for these guys and say that they at least give a crap, but I think you're right... they are just trying to cover their asses. I used to be so proud of our team.

[TheFly]

I expect the Chiefs to lose the rest of their games. And Carl will still try to sell Gun and the "transition"...

It will take the fans to LOSE interest and quit showing up for games to force change...<BR>

[DeepSouth]

Chiefnj,

I agree with most of what you said except for it taking 2-3 years to incorporate new systems. My argument is based on this years Saints. They replaced the GM and all the coaches.<BR>