Peter King's 2012 Mock

[The Franchise]

**** that. Kuechly is basically the only pick that I would be pissed about.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

**** that. Kuechly is basically the only pick that I would be pissed about.

I could understand moderately disappointed it wasn't someone else, but how could he piss you off?

He has a very high floor, and moderately high ceiling. He wont miss tackles. He can cover TE's. He's a high character leader.

He may not make bone jarring hits, he may not strip the ball and cause fumbles. And he may not be a pass rusher. But he sure as shit will make tackles when he gets the opportunity. And hell, maybe he holds the RB up for Berry or DJ to destroy, and cause a fumble?

I guess I'm wondering, what reason would you be pissed?
- Because it wasn't someone else you have specifically in mind?
- Because you don't think he will be a dynamic playmaker, or surefire cornerstone on defense?
- Because you think he isn't good?
- Because you would rather trade back?
- Because you don't think ILB is a position of need?

Not being a dick. Just wondering, because maybe you will sway my opinion. Right now, I'd be just fine with him at #11 if we stay.

[veist]

Originally Posted by Dante84

I could understand moderately disappointed it wasn't someone else, but how could he piss you off?

He has a very high floor, and moderately high ceiling. He wont miss tackles. He can cover TE's. He's a high character leader.

He may not make bone jarring hits, he may not strip the ball and cause fumbles. And he may not be a pass rusher. But he sure as shit will make tackles when he gets the opportunity. And hell, maybe he holds the RB up for Berry or DJ to destroy, and cause a fumble?

I guess I'm wondering, what reason would you be pissed?
- Because it wasn't someone else you have specifically in mind?
- Because you don't think he will be a dynamic playmaker, or surefire cornerstone on defense?
- Because you think he isn't good?
- Because you would rather trade back?
- Because you don't think ILB is a position of need?

Not being a dick. Just wondering, because maybe you will sway my opinion. Right now, I'd be just fine with him at #11 if we stay.

No, just no. He's not going to do any better a job against the TEs that are a problem in coverage than anyone in the league right now. Rob Gronkowski is going to drink his milkshake in coverage and it won't even be funny. I just don't get this hardon for a guy that in all likelyhood if he's what people are projecting him to be absolutely doesn't fit the defense, if he is exactly what you're projecting he's basically the third Tampa-2 Mike of all time which is about the last thing we need. Also the biggest concern about Kuechly is how he does when OL get on him which considering how often we line up with the OG uncovered is going to happen to him on the reg.

[buddha]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

**** that. Kuechly is basically the only pick that I would be pissed about.

Me too. Even guys like King who are high on him admit that he's not physical. WTF??? We don't need a LB who isn't physical. Kuechly is a catcher, not a hitter. He leads the team/league in tackles because...? He played a ton of minutes and the rest of his defense sucked balls.

There are two players that I absolutely don't want KC to touch in the first round: Kuechly and Poe.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by 3 4

I like Keuchly at 11. With Manning, Tivers, and Palmer in this division, those asshats are going to dink and dunk on us. I would like a player that will read a block before he has to gtet hiss ass beat by an ol pancaking him. Bootlegs and tollouts have killed the Chiefs. I berlieve Keuchley can solve alot of what the rest of the west will try and do. Old ass gunslinngers with nobody to throw to.

Although, if this league were not evolving into a passing league 2/3rds of the time I would say NO to Kuechly. I trust my eyes in what I see and yes he can cover and has instinct but he is NOT a thumper and will get overpowered most of the time tackling from behind after a 5-8yd gain.

Now with that being said, if he truly played in a shitty D system at BC and was prevented from being the thumper because the O-line was getting to the 2nd level most of the time which it seems very often, I guess if Pioli takes Keuchly then he would say BC had a shitty D and Kuechly CAN be a thumper as well.

[Bootlegged]

Originally Posted by buddha

Me too. Even guys like King who are high on him admit that he's not physical. WTF??? We don't need a LB who isn't physical. Kuechly is a catcher, not a hitter. He leads the team/league in tackles because...? He played a ton of minutes and the rest of his defense sucked balls.

There are two players that I absolutely don't want KC to touch in the first round: Kuechly and Poe.

Good call.

[buddha]

Originally Posted by Bootlegged

Good call.

What a genius you are, asswipe. Anybody can second guess a year later.

For the record, the first rounder that I wanted for KC turned out to be terrific.

[Bootlegged]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

**** that. Kuechly is basically the only pick that I would be pissed about.