Do U know BTK? - Page 3

Nubian Nut · 11-30-2004, 05:58 PM

BTK describes his background
Since March 2004, BTK has sent numerous communications to the media and the police. In
these letters, he has provided certain background information about himself, which he claims is
accurate.
Based upon a review of that information, the following facts about BTK are being made available
to the public in the hopes of identifying BTK:
• He claims he was born in 1939, which would make his current age 64 or 65.
• His father died in World War II, and his mother raised him.
• His mother was forced to work, so his grandparents cared for him.
• His mother worked during the day near the railroad.
• He had a cousin named Susan, who moved to Missouri.
• His family moved a lot, but always lived near a railroad.
• His grandfather played the fiddle and died of a lung disease.
• His mother started dating a railroad detective when BTK was around 11 years old. This
relationship would have occurred during the years 1950-1955.
• In the early 1950s he built and operated a ham radio.
• He has participated in outdoor hobbies including hunting, fishing and camping.
• As a youth he attended church and Sunday school.
--more--
• He had a female, Hispanic acquaintance named Petra, who had a younger sister named
Tina.
• Around 1960, he went to tech military school. He then joined the military for active duty
and was discharged in 1966.
• He has a basic knowledge of photography and the ability to develop and print pictures.
• In 1966 he moved back in with his mother who had re-married and was renting out part
of her house.
• His first job was as an electro-mechanic, requiring some travel.
• After attending more tech school, he worked repairing copiers and business equipment;
this sometimes required travel and he was away from home for extended periods.
• He admits to soliciting prostitutes.
• He has a lifetime fascination with railroads and trains.
Based upon the investigation to date, police believe that BTK:
• Frequented the WSU campus in the early 1970s.
• Was acquainted with PJ Wyatt, who taught a folklore class at WSU during the 1970s.
• Has written or still writes poetry. An example of this is the “Oh Anna, Why Didn’t You
Appear” poem and the “Oh! Death to Nancy” poem that were released in earlier media
advisories.
• Utilized fake identification to gain access to people’s homes or to conduct surveillance.
Based upon the information contained in the letter, police are again asking for help from the
public. Police want to talk to any citizen who currently knows, or recalls anyone having a similar
background to the one described above.
Citizens with information who are calling locally are asked to call 383-8273; those calling from
outside the Wichita area are asked to call 1-800-SOLVBTK (1-800-765-8285). They can also
e-mail information to coldcase@wichita.gov or mail information to Cold Case, P.O. Box 9202,
Wichita, KS 67277-0202.

Braincase · 12-01-2004, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RedNFeisty

I did not mean to imply that I would not be overpowered, just simply that there would be repercussion to attacking me. I am just a woman so therefore I know I can be overpowered by a man, come on, I'm not stupid. Being an Army brat my father made sure that I knew how to defend myself and my older brother made sure of that as well. Not to mention how well I can handle a gun (not that it would help in a situation like BTK). Back in the 70's women may not have been so confident and may have rolled over and let a man kill them, today I do not think that it would be so easy.

These days it would almost be easier than it was back then. Those little stun guns are awfully wasy to conceal. And Skip is never coming to my house...

KingPriest2 · 12-01-2004, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Hey, R&F, I think you are waaay overconfident in your abilities to defend yourself against murderous males that are much bigger than you are. I say this in only a friendly manner and to advise you of how wrong you are. I am almost 60 but still have a 32 inch waist and 14" biceps and still lift weights religiously. I am 5'10 and 165 lbs and could easily overpower you with you having no access to my nads. Remember BTK hides in the house and gets the drop on the victims from behind. You would have NO chance against this 60 year old under these circumstances. I just was disturbed that you discount the abilities of a guy in his forties. Hell, unless you're an Amazon you can be had by a guy in his 60's. I don't want that to happen.

It might be true in most cases but she could protect herself. I also know law enforcement people and I have listened to their stories so I know a person can get out of it.

For example I was talking to a client last night who even got stabbed in the chest and stopped the guy.

KingPriest2 · 12-01-2004, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike

Yeah RnF surprised me by that too. She makes it sound like a 40 year old dude has the same amount of strength as an 80 year old. My dad is 43 and he could easily knock my ass out with a well placed punch or two....

Well it is not hard to kick your little ass.

**the Talking Can** · 12-01-2004, 08:20 AM

Do you know where my BLT is?

patteeu · 12-01-2004, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

I had a buddy on the Wichita PD at the time of the first killings. He was later Acting Chief and is now Head of Security for Boeing. He told me back then that they knew who it was but couldn't prove it.

Did your "buddy" tell you that at the end of a long interrogation, just before he reluctantly released you?

Pants · 12-01-2004, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KingPriest2

Well it is not hard to kick your little ass.

And you know that how?? Or is that just more stupid assumptions coming from you as usuall?

RedNFeisty · 12-01-2004, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Do you know where my BLT is?

I ate it and it was very yummy, thank you!

Abba-Dabba · 12-01-2004, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Do you know where my BLT is?

I bet if it was up your ass you would know where it is.

**Dave Lane** · 12-01-2004, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

I had a buddy on the Wichita PD at the time of the first killings. He was later Acting Chief and is now Head of Security for Boeing. He told me back then that they knew who it was but couldn't prove it.

How did he know you did it? What tipped him off?

Dave

Nubian Nut · 12-01-2004, 10:08 AM

Victim's son believes father knew BTK

By Roxana Hegeman
Associated Press Writer
WICHITA - For decades after leaving school, Charlie Otero stayed underground hiding from the BTK serial killer who strangled his parents and two younger siblings.

"I didn't want him tracking me, knowing where I am," Otero said in a telephone interview Tuesday from the Western New Mexico Correctional Facility. "No rent, no house, no bills. Nothing. No jobs. No checks."

Otero was 15 when he found his parents' bound bodies in their bedroom in 1974. Police told him later that his brother and sister were also killed.

Now 46, Otero remains convinced his father knew the killer because he had been acting strangely to protect the family in the days just before the killings. And he believes his family was targeted because of something his father did during his military service.

The strangulation of Otero's four family members are the earliest deaths claimed by the killer who calls himself BTK, which stands for "Bind, Torture, Kill." He has been linked to eight unsolved homicides that terrorized Wichita between 1974 and 1986. After years of silence, the killer surfaced again by sending letters to police and media this year.

Police said earlier this year that the Otero killings had "special significance" because they were the first in a string of killings. But police have refused to discuss the case beyond carefully scripted statements periodically released.

On Jan. 15, 1974, the three surviving children of Joseph and Julie Otero came home from school to find their parents and two other siblings, Josephine, 11, and Joseph II, 9, dead at the family's Wichita home.

Otero is nearing the end of a four-year sentence for aggravated battery in a domestic violence case. He said he has not talked to BTK investigators since 1977 or 1978. He wants to know what is happening in the case, and whether there is any way he can help.

"I've had this bottled up inside me for 30 years," he said.

He listened intently as an AP reporter recounted the details released Tuesday by Wichita police profiling the killer in the hopes that someone could identify him. None of it pointed to anyone he knew, he said afterward.

"I've always thought my father knew him, that is about all," Otero said.

His father knew something was wrong, Otero said, citing several instances in the days before the murders that were "very suspicious." One time when the lights went out, his father made the family get into a closet until he made sure the neighborhood was also dark.

Another time, when a telephone repairman showed up at the house, Joseph Otero made his son go to a window to make sure there was a company van there before he opened the door.

Then just days before he died, Joseph Otero, who worked as an aircraft mechanic, tried to give him his ring in case something happened to him. Charlie Otero now remembers telling his father he didn't want him to talk like that, kidding his father he would probably outlive him.

"Nobody hated my family," Otero said. "I am sure it had something to do with my father's military history. My dad did things. ... He had to tell somebody what he had been up to in the last few years and he was dead days later."

Years later Otero is still convinced - based on that overheard telephone conversation his father had days before his death - that his family's slaughter had something to do with his service in the U.S. Air Force. Otero said his father was involved with the Inter-American Air Forces Academy, a program that has trained Air Force personnel from Latin America for 60 years.

But Otero declined to say further what his father did in the military because he was afraid talking about it might jeopardize his parole next month.

He still remembers vividly the day his family was killed. His younger siblings were the first to find their parents' bodies, crying out to him that mom and dad were playing a bad joke on them.

But Otero instantly knew they were dead: "My dad was cold, hard. You could smell the death. His tongue was almost bit off, a belt was around his neck."

He thought his other siblings were in school, now he knows they never got a chance to go to school before the killer came to their house. He and his two surviving siblings would also be dead had they not left an hour earlier than usual for school, he said.

Otero said he learned further details of his family's murders after hiring a lawyer and private investigator and reading some of the FBI files on the case.

Abba-Dabba · 12-01-2004, 10:13 AM

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But Otero declined to say further what his father did in the military because he was afraid talking about it might jeopardize his parole next month.

Umm, okay...

KingPriest2 · 12-01-2004, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metrolike

And you know that how?? Or is that just more stupid assumptions coming from you as usuall?

Stupid assumptions as usual? Yeah ok

**the Talking Can** · 12-01-2004, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Saggysack

I bet if it was up your ass you would know where it is.

in an off the wall way you're right

Abba-Dabba · 12-02-2004, 05:02 AM

Could this be BTK?

Seems kinda odd that the KBI, WPD and WPD homicide detectives would stake out for suspicion of criminal trespass, failing to maintain the exterior of a house, failing to paint a house, failing to maintain the structure of a house, parking in a front yard and storing inoperable vehicles.

Long stakeout puts man, 65, in custody
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/new...l/10318352.htm
After the arrest, KBI agents occupy the house and remove some items.

Eagle staff

A 65-year-old man was arrested at his south Wichita home Wednesday night after a daylong surveillance by Wichita police, including members of the homicide squad.

After his arrest, Kansas Bureau of Investigation agents were at the house late Wednesday and white bags were seen being removed from the home.

Travis Redburn said several undercover police watched the house from his nearby business Wednesday morning.

Wichita homicide detectives and at least one patrol officer were also seen cruising the neighborhood throughout the day.

Police officials, including Police Chief Norman Williams and Lt. Ken Landwehr, the head of the homicide unit, would not return phone calls Wednesday night after the arrest. Redburn said police at his business said they were acting on a tip and that they found a man at the house "very interesting."

Trains along tracks 40 yards away rattled through the otherwise quiet neighborhood regularly Wednesday.

Around 7:30 p.m., a small group of uniformed and plainclothes Wichita police officers surrounded the house.

They went around the dark home, tapping on windows and doors with their flashlights. After five minutes of searching around the home, officers entered through a door in the back.

Detectives stood outside the house while the beams of flashlights could be seen from behind the curtains.

Minutes later, with no sign of a struggle, two uniformed officers and a plainclothes homicide detective emerged with a man who was handcuffed behind his back. His hair was dark with a few signs of gray. He wore a white shirt and dark pants and had a denim jacket draped over his handcuffed arms.

He was led in front of the home, down a sidewalk to a waiting police car parked around the corner. Neither police nor the suspect said anything from the time they emerged from the home to the point they got in the car.

The man was booked into Sedgwick County Jail at 8:31 p.m. on suspicion of criminal trespass. Bond was initially set at $2,500, then increased to $17,500 after he was booked under a second warrant. That warrant charged him with several violations of city housing codes.

The allegations include failing to maintain the exterior of a house, failing to paint a house, failing to maintain the structure of a house, parking in a front yard and storing inoperable vehicles.

After his arrest, the house was lit both inside and in the back yard. A man was inside the house, but did not answer the door.

Another man, wearing a suit, walked around to the front of the house with a flashlight. He identified himself as Larry Thomas of the KBI and said agents were occupying the premises for the night. Thomas is one of the agency's homicide investigators.

Abba-Dabba · 12-02-2004, 06:20 AM

An arrest has been made 'sources say' in the BTK case. Suspects name Roger ?. Lives at 1421 E. Mt Vernon. A few feet away from railroad tracks. My exwife and her mother live 3 blocks from scene. My wife takes my daughter over to my daughter ex's house every morning. I pick her up around 8:30am Mon-Fri. to take her to school. Drive by the freakin house pretty much daily.

11-30-2004, 05:58 PM
Nubian Nut Make my Funk the P-Funk..... Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Casino cash: $4905191	Do U know BTK? BTK describes his background Since March 2004, BTK has sent numerous communications to the media and the police. In these letters, he has provided certain background information about himself, which he claims is accurate. Based upon a review of that information, the following facts about BTK are being made available to the public in the hopes of identifying BTK: • He claims he was born in 1939, which would make his current age 64 or 65. • His father died in World War II, and his mother raised him. • His mother was forced to work, so his grandparents cared for him. • His mother worked during the day near the railroad. • He had a cousin named Susan, who moved to Missouri. • His family moved a lot, but always lived near a railroad. • His grandfather played the fiddle and died of a lung disease. • His mother started dating a railroad detective when BTK was around 11 years old. This relationship would have occurred during the years 1950-1955. • In the early 1950s he built and operated a ham radio. • He has participated in outdoor hobbies including hunting, fishing and camping. • As a youth he attended church and Sunday school. --more-- • He had a female, Hispanic acquaintance named Petra, who had a younger sister named Tina. • Around 1960, he went to tech military school. He then joined the military for active duty and was discharged in 1966. • He has a basic knowledge of photography and the ability to develop and print pictures. • In 1966 he moved back in with his mother who had re-married and was renting out part of her house. • His first job was as an electro-mechanic, requiring some travel. • After attending more tech school, he worked repairing copiers and business equipment; this sometimes required travel and he was away from home for extended periods. • He admits to soliciting prostitutes. • He has a lifetime fascination with railroads and trains. Based upon the investigation to date, police believe that BTK: • Frequented the WSU campus in the early 1970s. • Was acquainted with PJ Wyatt, who taught a folklore class at WSU during the 1970s. • Has written or still writes poetry. An example of this is the “Oh Anna, Why Didn’t You Appear” poem and the “Oh! Death to Nancy” poem that were released in earlier media advisories. • Utilized fake identification to gain access to people’s homes or to conduct surveillance. Based upon the information contained in the letter, police are again asking for help from the public. Police want to talk to any citizen who currently knows, or recalls anyone having a similar background to the one described above. Citizens with information who are calling locally are asked to call 383-8273; those calling from outside the Wichita area are asked to call 1-800-SOLVBTK (1-800-765-8285). They can also e-mail information to coldcase@wichita.gov or mail information to Cold Case, P.O. Box 9202, Wichita, KS 67277-0202.
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12-01-2004, 10:08 AM	#40
Nubian Nut Make my Funk the P-Funk..... Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Casino cash: $4905191	Victim's son believes father knew BTK By Roxana Hegeman Associated Press Writer WICHITA - For decades after leaving school, Charlie Otero stayed underground hiding from the BTK serial killer who strangled his parents and two younger siblings. "I didn't want him tracking me, knowing where I am," Otero said in a telephone interview Tuesday from the Western New Mexico Correctional Facility. "No rent, no house, no bills. Nothing. No jobs. No checks." Otero was 15 when he found his parents' bound bodies in their bedroom in 1974. Police told him later that his brother and sister were also killed. Now 46, Otero remains convinced his father knew the killer because he had been acting strangely to protect the family in the days just before the killings. And he believes his family was targeted because of something his father did during his military service. The strangulation of Otero's four family members are the earliest deaths claimed by the killer who calls himself BTK, which stands for "Bind, Torture, Kill." He has been linked to eight unsolved homicides that terrorized Wichita between 1974 and 1986. After years of silence, the killer surfaced again by sending letters to police and media this year. Police said earlier this year that the Otero killings had "special significance" because they were the first in a string of killings. But police have refused to discuss the case beyond carefully scripted statements periodically released. On Jan. 15, 1974, the three surviving children of Joseph and Julie Otero came home from school to find their parents and two other siblings, Josephine, 11, and Joseph II, 9, dead at the family's Wichita home. Otero is nearing the end of a four-year sentence for aggravated battery in a domestic violence case. He said he has not talked to BTK investigators since 1977 or 1978. He wants to know what is happening in the case, and whether there is any way he can help. "I've had this bottled up inside me for 30 years," he said. He listened intently as an AP reporter recounted the details released Tuesday by Wichita police profiling the killer in the hopes that someone could identify him. None of it pointed to anyone he knew, he said afterward. "I've always thought my father knew him, that is about all," Otero said. His father knew something was wrong, Otero said, citing several instances in the days before the murders that were "very suspicious." One time when the lights went out, his father made the family get into a closet until he made sure the neighborhood was also dark. Another time, when a telephone repairman showed up at the house, Joseph Otero made his son go to a window to make sure there was a company van there before he opened the door. Then just days before he died, Joseph Otero, who worked as an aircraft mechanic, tried to give him his ring in case something happened to him. Charlie Otero now remembers telling his father he didn't want him to talk like that, kidding his father he would probably outlive him. "Nobody hated my family," Otero said. "I am sure it had something to do with my father's military history. My dad did things. ... He had to tell somebody what he had been up to in the last few years and he was dead days later." Years later Otero is still convinced - based on that overheard telephone conversation his father had days before his death - that his family's slaughter had something to do with his service in the U.S. Air Force. Otero said his father was involved with the Inter-American Air Forces Academy, a program that has trained Air Force personnel from Latin America for 60 years. But Otero declined to say further what his father did in the military because he was afraid talking about it might jeopardize his parole next month. He still remembers vividly the day his family was killed. His younger siblings were the first to find their parents' bodies, crying out to him that mom and dad were playing a bad joke on them. But Otero instantly knew they were dead: "My dad was cold, hard. You could smell the death. His tongue was almost bit off, a belt was around his neck." He thought his other siblings were in school, now he knows they never got a chance to go to school before the killer came to their house. He and his two surviving siblings would also be dead had they not left an hour earlier than usual for school, he said. Otero said he learned further details of his family's murders after hiring a lawyer and private investigator and reading some of the FBI files on the case.
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12-02-2004, 05:02 AM	#44
Abba-Dabba MVP Join Date: May 2001 Casino cash: $4502970	Could this be BTK? Seems kinda odd that the KBI, WPD and WPD homicide detectives would stake out for suspicion of criminal trespass, failing to maintain the exterior of a house, failing to paint a house, failing to maintain the structure of a house, parking in a front yard and storing inoperable vehicles. Long stakeout puts man, 65, in custody http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/new...l/10318352.htm After the arrest, KBI agents occupy the house and remove some items. Eagle staff A 65-year-old man was arrested at his south Wichita home Wednesday night after a daylong surveillance by Wichita police, including members of the homicide squad. After his arrest, Kansas Bureau of Investigation agents were at the house late Wednesday and white bags were seen being removed from the home. Travis Redburn said several undercover police watched the house from his nearby business Wednesday morning. Wichita homicide detectives and at least one patrol officer were also seen cruising the neighborhood throughout the day. Police officials, including Police Chief Norman Williams and Lt. Ken Landwehr, the head of the homicide unit, would not return phone calls Wednesday night after the arrest. Redburn said police at his business said they were acting on a tip and that they found a man at the house "very interesting." Trains along tracks 40 yards away rattled through the otherwise quiet neighborhood regularly Wednesday. Around 7:30 p.m., a small group of uniformed and plainclothes Wichita police officers surrounded the house. They went around the dark home, tapping on windows and doors with their flashlights. After five minutes of searching around the home, officers entered through a door in the back. Detectives stood outside the house while the beams of flashlights could be seen from behind the curtains. Minutes later, with no sign of a struggle, two uniformed officers and a plainclothes homicide detective emerged with a man who was handcuffed behind his back. His hair was dark with a few signs of gray. He wore a white shirt and dark pants and had a denim jacket draped over his handcuffed arms. He was led in front of the home, down a sidewalk to a waiting police car parked around the corner. Neither police nor the suspect said anything from the time they emerged from the home to the point they got in the car. The man was booked into Sedgwick County Jail at 8:31 p.m. on suspicion of criminal trespass. Bond was initially set at $2,500, then increased to $17,500 after he was booked under a second warrant. That warrant charged him with several violations of city housing codes. The allegations include failing to maintain the exterior of a house, failing to paint a house, failing to maintain the structure of a house, parking in a front yard and storing inoperable vehicles. After his arrest, the house was lit both inside and in the back yard. A man was inside the house, but did not answer the door. Another man, wearing a suit, walked around to the front of the house with a flashlight. He identified himself as Larry Thomas of the KBI and said agents were occupying the premises for the night. Thomas is one of the agency's homicide investigators.
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12-02-2004, 06:20 AM	#45
Abba-Dabba MVP Join Date: May 2001 Casino cash: $4502970	An arrest has been made 'sources say' in the BTK case. Suspects name Roger ?. Lives at 1421 E. Mt Vernon. A few feet away from railroad tracks. My exwife and her mother live 3 blocks from scene. My wife takes my daughter over to my daughter ex's house every morning. I pick her up around 8:30am Mon-Fri. to take her to school. Drive by the freakin house pretty much daily.
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