Chiefs Enough already! What's the deal with Sutton? - Page 4

Rexx · 01-12-2018, 05:19 PM

I get this feeling Reid is just prolonging the announcement he is keeping Sutton. He wants the fans emotions to die down so he doesn't catch extreme pushback.

There is really no reason for this to drag out like this. This defense played with no fire and edge, that alone should be enough reason to move on. When watching a top ranked defense, the lack of emotion on KC becomes so obvious. I've been a fan for 35 years and am still shocked this guy hasn't been shown the door yet. Just make your BS announcement Reid, we all need to digest it sooner or later.

Mizzou_8541 · 01-13-2018, 10:10 AM

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I disagree. If the Chiefs were keeping Sutton, feel like they would own it so that the rumor mill can shut up about it. They've put off end of year press conferences and haven't even formally introduced Bieniemy even though he's been announced as a hire. Likely scenario they don't want a press conference because they don't want to formally confirm or deny rumors.

I think the Chiefs are waiting on 2 guys. And if they can get 1 of them, they'll fire Sutton. If not, they'll keep him. Spagnuolo has an obvious Reid connection and is gunning for the NY Giants coaching job (maybe most plausible because he's run his scheme from 3-4). The other is Adam Zimmer who has a strong connection through Gary Gibbs. The Chiefs out of respect are probably keeping their distance until Minnesota's season is over.

Why would the Chiefs hold a press conference to announce they aren’t firing someone?

TEX · 01-13-2018, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rexx

I get this feeling Reid is just prolonging the announcement he is keeping Sutton. He wants the fans emotions to die down so he doesn't catch extreme pushback.

There is really no reason for this to drag out like this. This defense played with no fire and edge, that alone should be enough reason to move on. When watching a top ranked defense, the lack of emotion on KC becomes so obvious. I've been a fan for 35 years and am still shocked this guy hasn't been shown the door yet. Just make your BS announcement Reid, we all need to digest it sooner or later.

I think your first statement is the case. ALL of the "Sutton is gone" stuff are rumors to suggest a desired outcome. Reid and the Chiefs haven't said a thing. SO, I'd bet he stays.

booger · 01-13-2018, 10:18 AM

May be looking at an addition if say Emmitt Thomas retires. Or Gibbs. Giving Al Harris more responsibility and say title of Defensive Pass Game Coordinator (yep teams are actually doing that, Atlanta and just this offseason GB) to groom him to possibly take over.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-13-2018, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

The ugly truth is there isn't any established talent at the DC position out there.

You either get risky with new talent or stay the course.

What do you think we'll do?...

I'd like to hope Booger is right that we'd explore the Pittsburgh tree. But that just seems too far out of Reid's comfort zone. Spagnuolo is a safe pick. I'm not crazy about it, but it's an upgrade. Zimmer is risky, but if he can run his Dad's defense, the rewards are tremendous and you have Gibbs to mentor him along the way.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-13-2018, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541

Why would the Chiefs hold a press conference to announce they aren’t firing someone?

It doesn't have to be a press conference. A simple statement. They're no doubt being reached out to for comment and obviously have said nothing.

**Rausch** · 01-13-2018, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'd like to hope Booger is right that we'd explore the Pittsburgh tree. But that just seems too far out of Reid's comfort zone.

Reid has absolutely no connections there.

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Spagnuolo is a safe pick. I'm not crazy about it, but it's an upgrade. Zimmer is risky, but if he can run his Dad's defense, the rewards are tremendous and you have Gibbs to mentor him along the way.

I would argue Zimmer is the most likely of the two...

booger · 01-13-2018, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'd like to hope Booger is right that we'd explore the Pittsburgh tree. But that just seems too far out of Reid's comfort zone. Spagnuolo is a safe pick. I'm not crazy about it, but it's an upgrade. Zimmer is risky, but if he can run his Dad's defense, the rewards are tremendous and you have Gibbs to mentor him along the way.

4-3 is just too much to switch too right now. Say it's 4-3 under. The DL is virtually the same alignments in that and Sutton's scheme. Plenty of differences as well but when free agency, the draft, 4/5Tech, nose, and 3T you see plenty of the same players at those positions with KC, SEA, now GB with Pettine....they're interested in the same guys. But the LB's are different. Ragland would probably play mike or will but those ATL and SEA LB's are fast sideline run and chase guys. So we might think ok put Eligwe or KPL at the mike and Ragland at the will. Or even Ragland at the Otto (Sam-Bruce Irvin role) and use Houston at the Leo/Rush End. But Houston is a stud on the strong side. I don't know it's just risky and complicated unless it's a really good coordinator that isn't afraid to switch back to a 3-4 if need be. Not to mention we would need to get that many more DL with the switch.

booger · 01-13-2018, 10:42 AM

As I recall when he was hired Reid wanted Monte Kiffen to run the 4-3 under, that was one of the rumors on CP. Then he wanted to interview Ray Horton from the cards but they blocked him and he later went to Cleveland when Arians hired Bowles. Then it was John Pagano who he wanted to talk to but they just hired McCoy and blocked Reid and of course he stayed in SD. So the way I see it I would take Horton but he really looks like the only option in the "it doesn't even look like Sutton will be fired" scenario. I'm sure he would scoop up James Bettcher though and he wouldn't be the only coach hot after him.

**Rausch** · 01-13-2018, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by booger

But the LB's are different. Ragland would probably play mike ...

No..

booger · 01-13-2018, 10:57 AM

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No..

That's what I mean. It wouldn't make sense when you consider him such a gift to fall into the lap of Reid and Veach at such a cheap price. Don't want to waste that now.

Back to the coaching staff, Similar to Sutton is Andy Heck. But how can you pin all the blame on him with Smith's history of taking a ton of sacks? Even more who the **** do you hire? Tom Cable got let go up in Seattle. Not much of an upgrade.

**Easy 6** · 01-13-2018, 11:04 AM

It keeps being suggested that they're waiting for someone currently in the playoffs, but other than maybe Zimmers kid... who would that be exactly?

Reid has a well known stubborn streak and propensity for hanging onto coaches in the face of intense pressure... lets face it, all of the fire Sutton hype will likely just make him double down on the guy, lest it look like he caved to fan/media pressure

And I wont be holding my breath about Heck, either

FloridaMan88 · 01-13-2018, 11:04 AM

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Those Oilers won sooooooo many titles!!

A commitment to mediocrity true fan.

Bob Sutton appreciates your support.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-13-2018, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by booger

4-3 is just too much to switch too right now. Say it's 4-3 under. The DL is virtually the same alignments in that and Sutton's scheme. Plenty of differences as well but when free agency, the draft, 4/5Tech, nose, and 3T you see plenty of the same players at those positions with KC, SEA, now GB with Pettine....they're interested in the same guys. But the LB's are different. Ragland would probably play mike or will but those ATL and SEA LB's are fast sideline run and chase guys. So we might think ok put Eligwe or KPL at the mike and Ragland at the will. Or even Ragland at the Otto (Sam-Bruce Irvin role) and use Houston at the Leo/Rush End. But Houston is a stud on the strong side. I don't know it's just risky and complicated unless it's a really good coordinator that isn't afraid to switch back to a 3-4 if need be. Not to mention we would need to get that many more DL with the switch.

If I'm not mistaken, spags has run out of 3-4 and 4-3 under. Which is why I feel like this is the most realistic scenario.

**Rausch** · 01-13-2018, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by booger

That's what I mean. It wouldn't make sense when you consider him such a gift to fall into the lap of Reid and Veach at such a cheap price. Don't want to waste that now.

Back to the coaching staff, Similar to Sutton is Andy Heck. But how can you pin all the blame on him with Smith's history of taking a ton of sacks? Even more who the **** do you hire? Tom Cable got let go up in Seattle. Not much of an upgrade.

I think Capers will retire.

I was a fan but after his run in GB I question his talent evaluation.

I think he was once a great mind who's time has come and gone.

For over a decade I begged we'd hire Lebeau and at this point I want him to retire and leave the game. He's ****ing 80. Retire. Enjoy your family.

IMHO I think that ****er will live to be 90. God bless him.

**Rausch** · 01-13-2018, 11:46 AM

BTW if you want to look towards a "progressive" coach you start and begin with Lebeau.

You can line up black players who gave their all for that man and would back him up to this day. And he was about production, above all, but a hard assed man who was fair.

01-12-2018, 05:19 PM
Rexx Seeing Red! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: NM, USA Casino cash: $10005814	Enough already! What's the deal with Sutton? I get this feeling Reid is just prolonging the announcement he is keeping Sutton. He wants the fans emotions to die down so he doesn't catch extreme pushback. There is really no reason for this to drag out like this. This defense played with no fire and edge, that alone should be enough reason to move on. When watching a top ranked defense, the lack of emotion on KC becomes so obvious. I've been a fan for 35 years and am still shocked this guy hasn't been shown the door yet. Just make your BS announcement Reid, we all need to digest it sooner or later.
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01-13-2018, 10:18 AM	#48
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01-13-2018, 10:42 AM	#53
booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $1498550	As I recall when he was hired Reid wanted Monte Kiffen to run the 4-3 under, that was one of the rumors on CP. Then he wanted to interview Ray Horton from the cards but they blocked him and he later went to Cleveland when Arians hired Bowles. Then it was John Pagano who he wanted to talk to but they just hired McCoy and blocked Reid and of course he stayed in SD. So the way I see it I would take Horton but he really looks like the only option in the "it doesn't even look like Sutton will be fired" scenario. I'm sure he would scoop up James Bettcher though and he wouldn't be the only coach hot after him. __________________ 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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01-13-2018, 11:04 AM	#56
Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $3717775	It keeps being suggested that they're waiting for someone currently in the playoffs, but other than maybe Zimmers kid... who would that be exactly? Reid has a well known stubborn streak and propensity for hanging onto coaches in the face of intense pressure... lets face it, all of the fire Sutton hype will likely just make him double down on the guy, lest it look like he caved to fan/media pressure And I wont be holding my breath about Heck, either
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