Chiefs Post Pioli, are we looking at a full rebuild? - Page 7

FAX · 10-05-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fishpicker

I don't get the reference.

Few people ever do, Mr. Fishpicker.

Few people ever do ...

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suzzer99 · 10-06-2012, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishpicker

I think one of the biggest problems this team has is that we aren't getting the results that we should see from the amount of talent we have. There's no way that the D is playing as best it can. A lot of those guys are phoning it in. The Offense seems to have the same problem early on in games. I think if we draft a truly franchise worthy QB, the want to problem will disappear. I think this entire team has been demoralized by the Cassel experience and the FO's inability to recognize what a failure it has been.

So no, we dont need a rebuild for player personnel, we need a change of outlook that can only be brought on by a new GM, head coach, a full staff of coordinators, position coaches, and assistants. Once we have all of that, then we can go out and draft the God blessed quarterback we need. If we make the right choice, the players we retain will kick it into high gear because they will want to.

Came here to post basically this. Our team is completely deflated right now by Cassels play. The matter how much of a professional you are, you're still a human being. If you feel like you can't win, your play is going to slip.

FAX · 10-05-2012, 07:52 PM

I don't think we're garbage or a team of role players.

I do, however, believe that it's entirely possible Dorsey and Jackson are told not to bother with rushing the passer. It's the only rational explanation why they do absolutely nothing in that category. I mean, once in awhile even a blind hog can get to and devour a passer.

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qabbaan · 10-05-2012, 08:00 PM

I don't see the measure as the winning of a crappy division or a wild card appearance.

I also don't see a good QB appearing magically on our roster next year...

I know the premise of the thread is Pioli being canned, but even if we go 4-12, the chances of that only seem (just guessing) 50/50.

I don't think it's a sure thing at all that change will occur if there's just a bad season record.

durtyrute · 10-05-2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by qabbaan

I don't see the measure as the winning of a crappy division or a wild card appearance.

I also don't see a good QB appearing magically on our roster next year...

I know the premise of the thread is Pioli being canned, but even if we go 4-12, the chances of that only seem (just guessing) 50/50.

I don't think it's a sure thing at all that change will occur if there's just a bad season record.

It's not a sure thing, just a bunch of guys wishing.

ArrowheadMagic · 10-05-2012, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by qabbaan

I don't see the measure as the winning of a crappy division or a wild card appearance.

I also don't see a good QB appearing magically on our roster next year...

I know the premise of the thread is Pioli being canned, but even if we go 4-12, the chances of that only seem (just guessing) 50/50.

I don't think it's a sure thing at all that change will occur if there's just a bad season record.

All true. CHunt isnt firing Pioli this year, but this should be the year he gives up on Cassel and his BS of bringing in competition at every position. Quinn should prove that.

DaWolf · 10-05-2012, 08:10 PM

I think we have a San Francisco situation here. You replace Crennel and staff with someone of the caliber of Harbaugh and his staff, this team could win with a few upgrades. You've got to put your players in a position to succeed, and we haven't been doing that. This team is just disorganized, unprepared, and un-physical...

beach tribe · 10-05-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

I think we have a San Francisco situation here. You replace Crennel and staff with someone of the caliber of Harbaugh and his staff, this team could win with a few upgrades. You've got to put your players in a position to succeed, and we haven't been doing that. This team is just disorganized, unprepared, and un-physical...

Agreed. Our D is not as loaded as SF, but it's not devoid of talent either. We have a lot of pieces. A cpl more, and the right coaching, would make a huge difference IMO.

ArrowheadMagic · 10-05-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Agreed. Our D is not as loaded as SF, but it's not devoid of talent either. We have a lot of pieces. A cpl more, and the right coaching, would make a huge difference IMO.

Brees might differ with you on our D. 2nd half D was solid. Not sure last time NO was shut down, but it wasnt like what KC did. I know different NO, but it was Brees. Franchise QB.

beach tribe · 10-05-2012, 08:14 PM

I believe we have a TON of talent, and If Crennel would have stuck to being the DC, we had a decent HC, and QB it would be a lot more evident.
Crennel simply cannot do both. We are going to see huge strides by the D the second half of this season though. (not that the HCing will improve at all) Which is not exactly a good thing, because winning games will not benefit this team.

durtyrute · 10-05-2012, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I believe we have a TON of talent, and If Crennel would have stuck to being the DC, we had a decent HC, and QB it would be a lot more evident.
Crennel simply cannot do both. We are going to see huge strides by the D the second half of this season though. (not that the HCing will improve at all) Which is not exactly a good thing, because winning games will not benefit this team.

I am curious as to what brings you to this conclusion.

milkman · 10-05-2012, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I believe we have a TON of talent, and If Crennel would have stuck to being the DC, we had a decent HC, and QB it would be a lot more evident.
Crennel simply cannot do both. We are going to see huge strides by the D the second half of this season though. (not that the HCing will improve at all) Which is not exactly a good thing, because winning games will not benefit this team.

I don't like Crennel's defensive schemes.
Never have.

I want a DC that attacks in this era.

I don't want a DC that only attacks when things are going wrong, or when he's auditioning for a job.

beach tribe · 10-05-2012, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I don't like Crennel's defensive schemes.
Never have.

I want a DC that attacks in this era.

I don't want a DC that only attacks when things are going wrong, or when he's auditioning for a job.

I know. It just blows my mind that Crennel cannot see how much better this D is when he coaches aggressively. It is so damn frustrating.

This team is so obviously better suited for an attacking style.

Hammock Parties · 10-05-2012, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I know. It just blows my mind that Crennel cannot see how much better this D is when he coaches aggressively. It is so damn frustrating.

This team is so obviously better suited for an attacking style.

He is 65 years old and rooted in his own style of coaching.

He is not going to change.

People that old don't change their ways.

beach tribe · 10-06-2012, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

He is 65 years old and rooted in his own style of coaching.

He is not going to change.

People that old don't change their ways.

You've been spot on in your assessment of Crennel so far, and much of this team as well.

Hats off. I was expecting much more. My apologies for jumping all over you for constantly pissing all over them before the season started. I thought you were either an idiot, or trolling. I was paying too much attention to all of the talent and over looking the fact that Crennel was over his head, and that Charles and the D could not cover up Cassel's complete lack of balls, and talent. Crennel's failures have destroyed the D, and I was an Idiot for thinking Cassel could be merely average.

For the first time during this regime, I have completely given up hope that these guys could get it done. I was WRONG.
"I have filled my heart with hate"
Down with them all.

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FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	I don't think we're garbage or a team of role players. I do, however, believe that it's entirely possible Dorsey and Jackson are told not to bother with rushing the passer. It's the only rational explanation why they do absolutely nothing in that category. I mean, once in awhile even a blind hog can get to and devour a passer. FAX
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qabbaan Veteran Join Date: Jan 2012 Casino cash: $10004900	I don't see the measure as the winning of a crappy division or a wild card appearance. I also don't see a good QB appearing magically on our roster next year... I know the premise of the thread is Pioli being canned, but even if we go 4-12, the chances of that only seem (just guessing) 50/50. I don't think it's a sure thing at all that change will occur if there's just a bad season record.
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DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	I think we have a San Francisco situation here. You replace Crennel and staff with someone of the caliber of Harbaugh and his staff, this team could win with a few upgrades. You've got to put your players in a position to succeed, and we haven't been doing that. This team is just disorganized, unprepared, and un-physical...
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10-05-2012, 08:14 PM	#10
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $4728036	I believe we have a TON of talent, and If Crennel would have stuck to being the DC, we had a decent HC, and QB it would be a lot more evident. Crennel simply cannot do both. We are going to see huge strides by the D the second half of this season though. (not that the HCing will improve at all) Which is not exactly a good thing, because winning games will not benefit this team.
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