Music Rock N Poll: Round 2, Heat 8 - Page 3

**Rain Man** · 03-26-2011, 02:46 PM

This one should be nice and divisive.

shirtsleeve · 03-26-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

I think we've had a variation of this discussion. I just don't care about the labels. I'm probably wrong. It's not important for me to properly categorize music into a pretty box. I have no idea. So, I should probably just defer to somebody who is passionate about it. For the record though - we called G&R (and probably a host of other non-conforming bands) "metal" in the 80's.

Yes we did. Metallica was a "speed metal" band before they got widely heard. Iron Maiden was metal. G&R was hair metal. Scorpions were glam rock.

I am old, because I consider Ozzie and early VH metal too, I guess.

Metal changed after Grunge took over the mainstream rock moniker. Most styles do, over time.

blaise · 03-26-2011, 03:56 PM

Oh man, November Rain sucks ass.

**Bugeater** · 03-26-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shirtsleeve

7.)Joe Walsh (I like the guy not the song. In the City would have been in my top 3)

Same here, or either of these two.

**Easy 6** · 03-26-2011, 04:03 PM

Teen Spirit - Opened up a new can of whupass on America, nuff said.

Sweet Child - IMO one of the 3 best solos in all of rock history, it whines, cries, screams & builds to a hellacious crescendo.

I Love Rock & Roll - when Joan goes YOWWW!, that is rock & roll.

**Rain Man** · 03-26-2011, 04:07 PM

This heat is not going well at all. Even if REM and Joe Walsh can't advance, there's no excuse for Joan Jett not moving on. YOWWWW!

**Reaper16** · 03-26-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

Hence the word adapt. Were you here in the 80's to know how it was considered then?

Since when have musical genres with strict definitions had the ability to "adapt?" Is jazz in 2011 not the same exact genre it was in 1920? Metal is not a mood or a marketing term to label "really heavy rock." A lot of hard rock is "heavier" than a lot of metal. No, metal is just as much a definable genre of music as rock, blues, jazz, country, hip-hop, etc.

I really can't see how someone who listens to both metal and rock could consider GnR a metal band. Ever. They're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too blues-based to ever be confused for metal. That nasty (in a good way) blues-based hard rock swagger is all over the GnR albums, and that's what makes them an awesome rock band.

**Reaper16** · 03-26-2011, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

I've found that overly specific musical styles inhibit creativity.

Hair bands -- all sound alike, and gets boring after about 2 or 3 songs in a row
Metal -- all sounds alike, and gets boring after about 2 or 3 songs in a row
Grunge -- all sounds alike, and gets boring after about 2 or 3 songs in a row

These strong categories have kind of ruined music for me. I liked it better in the 1970's when there were a variety of current styles that could all be played on the same radio station. Bands had their own style, and didn't fit into some "me too" category.

You're an easily bored dude.

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Originally Posted by shirtsleeve

Yes we did. Metallica was a "speed metal" band before they got widely heard. Iron Maiden was metal. G&R was hair metal. Scorpions were glam rock.

I am old, because I consider Ozzie and early VH metal too, I guess.

Metal changed after Grunge took over the mainstream rock moniker. Most styles do, over time.

Metallica played thrash metal, a very specific subgenre of music that is derived equally from punk rock and heavy metal. Ozzie and Iron Maiden are metal. The other bands you mentioned are rock bands.

I'm genuinely interested in how Van Halen or GnR sound anything like metal bands.

03-26-2011, 04:34 PM

I've already answered that for you but you no listen. "Metal" was a much looser label in the 80's. Basically, anybody who had guitar solos, threw horns, and called themselves "metal" was metal.

Chiefburger · 03-26-2011, 05:21 PM

Sweet Child O' Mine is gonna take this tourney. So this, the Who and REM.

patteeu · 03-26-2011, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by shirtsleeve

Yes we did. Metallica was a "speed metal" band before they got widely heard. Iron Maiden was metal. G&R was hair metal. Scorpions were glam rock.

I am old, because I consider Ozzie and early VH metal too, I guess.

Metal changed after Grunge took over the mainstream rock moniker. Most styles do, over time.

Scorpions glam rock? WTF kind of ***** are you *****, sir? That's about as ****ing ****ed ** *** ***d8sd****, you hear me? The scorpions are pure ******! If you don't recognize that, then ****** *** ****!

patteeu · 03-26-2011, 06:20 PM

#1 Joan Jett, I Love Rock and Roll
#2 Nirvana, Smells Like Teen Spirit
#3 Joe Walsh, Lifes Been Good

I was pretty ambivalent about my #3. Suckage got brief consideration. But in the end, I decided to go with all three of the metal songs in this heat.

03-26-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

I decided to go with all three of the metal songs in this heat.

**cdcox** · 03-26-2011, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

#1 Joan Jett, I Love Rock and Roll
#2 Nirvana, Smells Like Teen Spirit
#3 Joe Walsh, Lifes Been Good

I was pretty ambivalent about my #3. Suckage got brief consideration. But in the end, I decided to go with all three of the metal songs in this heat.

DJ's left nut · 03-26-2011, 07:55 PM

November Rain - #1
Man in the Box - #2 (this is a very underrated song)
Won't Get Fooled Again - #3

03-26-2011, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

November Rain - #1
Man in the Box - #2 (this is a very underrated song)
Won't Get Fooled Again - #3

You are a very smart person.

View Poll Results: Pick your top three Rock and Roll songs from this list.
Smells Like Teen Spirit, Nirvana	58	50.88%
It's the End of the World, REM	22	19.30%
I Love Rock & Roll, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts	38	33.33%
Man in the Box, Alice in Chains	30	26.32%
November Rain, Guns N Roses	24	21.05%
Sweet Child O'mine, Guns N Roses	61	53.51%
Life's Been Good, Joe Walsh	32	28.07%
Wont Get Fooled Again, the Who	54	47.37%
You're not going to believe this, but I'm voting suckage.	6	5.26%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 114. You may not vote on this poll

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03-26-2011, 04:34 PM	#38
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