Chiefs I was impressed with Cassel - Page 4

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 01:53 PM

He didn't start to look like the old Cassel until the game was out of reach. His passes were crisp, ontime, to the correct receiver and he went through progressions. He marched us into scoring position until Moeaki decided to make a weak attempt at catching a ball which ended up tipped and picked. It was not Cassel's fault. The fumble was not Cassel's fault. The 2nd INT was the old Cassel though he was trying to make a play in a game that we were out of but nonetheless was a bad decision.

All in all he looked good. He was put in a position that he was literally forced to score on every drive and was doing a good job of it until some others started choking.

I'm not down on him yet. If our defense was worth half a **** today we most likley stomp Atlanta.

R8RFAN · 09-09-2012, 02:05 PM

I am gonna side with the OP and Cassel here.... I thought he played good, 17 points is enough to win if you play decent D

griZZly64 · 09-09-2012, 02:05 PM

Yeah I was impressed with Cassel's 1st half as well. Good sign. Now we need our defense to get healthy

FloridaMan88 · 09-09-2012, 02:05 PM

Trent Green would have kept the Chiefs in a game like today, a shootout with no help from his defense.

Matt Cassel shitted in his pants in the second half.

milkman · 09-09-2012, 02:05 PM

Here'e the problem.

Teams that can,, and do, overcome mistakes, have guys that are leaders under center.

Teams that wilt when mistakes are made lack that leadership.

Matt Cassel is a guy falls into the second category.

He lacks the confidence to lead this team when they need it most.

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Everything was going ok until the Succop whiff. It's all his fault.

Actually everything was going ok until the Albert whiff and then we were still moving the ball until the Moeaki whiff.

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Here'e the problem.

Teams that can,, and do, overcome mistakes, have guys that are leaders under center.

Teams that wilt when mistakes are made lack that leadership.

Matt Cassel is a guy falls into the second category.

He lacks the confidence to lead this team when they need it most.

It helps when your defense doesn't open the front door for the other team to score every drive.

tredadda · 09-09-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugh Janus

Trent Green would have kept the Chiefs in a game like today, a shootout with no help from his defense.

Matt Cassel shitted in his pants in the second half.

And he did in the playoff game against Indy (in 2003?)

Deberg_1990 · 09-09-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugh Janus

Trent Green would have kept the Chiefs in a game like today, a shootout with no help from his defense.

Matt Cassel shitted in his pants in the second half.

Green got blown out plenty of times.

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by R8ers

I am gonna side with the OP and Cassel here.... I thought he played good, 17 points is enough to win if you play decent D

We should have and could have had more and I don't see it as Cassel's fault that we didn't.

Three7s · 09-09-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

Yes you can. As always when we get behind he is unable to take this team on his back. Every time we scored Atlanta answered. From the start of the second half on Atlanta scored at will and Cassel did nothing to counter it.

Hello? Do we have a winner?

It wouldn't have mattered if Cassel played well the whole game or not. This game was the defense's loss. They were forcing Cassel and the offense to be 100% perfect, and we know that's not something they're capable of. Anyone that blames this on Cassel is just looking for another reason for him to go.

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-09-2012, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

Here'e the problem.

Teams that can,, and do, overcome mistakes, have guys that are leaders under center.

Teams that wilt when mistakes are made lack that leadership.

Matt Cassel is a guy falls into the second category.

He lacks the confidence to lead this team when they need it most.

Thread over

chiefzilla1501 · 09-09-2012, 02:07 PM

The other problem is... it's not like we have the burden of proof to prove that Cassel sucks. Cassel has the burden of proof to prove he's any good.

So yeah, from the get-go... not a horrendous performance by Cassel, but the bar is a LOT higher for him.

RINGLEADER · 09-09-2012, 02:07 PM

Putting aside what was Cassel's fault, I think we have the tools to be a good offense and I think when we get Hali and Flowers and Lewis back we'll obviously be much improved on defense. We just can't put a game into Cassel's hands and expect him to come back from over two scores down. Never will be able to. That's who he is. We all hate it, but I think we showed that we can win with this offense, provided the defense doesn't crap the bed like today. I want to see our defense at full strength before passing judgment.

RINGLEADER · 09-09-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugh Janus

Trent Green would have kept the Chiefs in a game like today, a shootout with no help from his defense.

Matt Cassel shitted in his pants in the second half.

Matt Cassel has never shown this ability. He can't do it.

**cdcox** · 09-09-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Either way it wasn't Cassel's fault. Whether it was on Albert or the defense getting away with offsides

There are QBs with better pocket mechanics that usually avoid those kinds of fumbles. Cassel winds up and has a hitch in his motion where he leaves the ball exposed longer than a prototypical pocket passer should. Also, others are better at feeling the pressure and sliding.

I'm not saying the fumble was Cassel's fault, but a lot of QBs would avoid that fumble.

09-09-2012, 01:53 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2774127	I was impressed with Cassel He didn't start to look like the old Cassel until the game was out of reach. His passes were crisp, ontime, to the correct receiver and he went through progressions. He marched us into scoring position until Moeaki decided to make a weak attempt at catching a ball which ended up tipped and picked. It was not Cassel's fault. The fumble was not Cassel's fault. The 2nd INT was the old Cassel though he was trying to make a play in a game that we were out of but nonetheless was a bad decision. All in all he looked good. He was put in a position that he was literally forced to score on every drive and was doing a good job of it until some others started choking. I'm not down on him yet. If our defense was worth half a **** today we most likley stomp Atlanta.
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R8RFAN Molôn Labé Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North Carolina Casino cash: $8566872	I am gonna side with the OP and Cassel here.... I thought he played good, 17 points is enough to win if you play decent D
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griZZly64 Starter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Camarillo, CA Casino cash: $10008150	Yeah I was impressed with Cassel's 1st half as well. Good sign. Now we need our defense to get healthy
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FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $3142906	Trent Green would have kept the Chiefs in a game like today, a shootout with no help from his defense. Matt Cassel shitted in his pants in the second half.
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09-09-2012, 02:05 PM	#49
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Here'e the problem. Teams that can,, and do, overcome mistakes, have guys that are leaders under center. Teams that wilt when mistakes are made lack that leadership. Matt Cassel is a guy falls into the second category. He lacks the confidence to lead this team when they need it most. __________________
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09-09-2012, 02:07 PM	#57
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $2084497	The other problem is... it's not like we have the burden of proof to prove that Cassel sucks. Cassel has the burden of proof to prove he's any good. So yeah, from the get-go... not a horrendous performance by Cassel, but the bar is a LOT higher for him.
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09-09-2012, 02:07 PM	#58
RINGLEADER In Search of a Life Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Confusion, USA Casino cash: $8610503	Putting aside what was Cassel's fault, I think we have the tools to be a good offense and I think when we get Hali and Flowers and Lewis back we'll obviously be much improved on defense. We just can't put a game into Cassel's hands and expect him to come back from over two scores down. Never will be able to. That's who he is. We all hate it, but I think we showed that we can win with this offense, provided the defense doesn't crap the bed like today. I want to see our defense at full strength before passing judgment.
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