Chiefs I was impressed with Cassel - Page 5

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 01:53 PM

He didn't start to look like the old Cassel until the game was out of reach. His passes were crisp, ontime, to the correct receiver and he went through progressions. He marched us into scoring position until Moeaki decided to make a weak attempt at catching a ball which ended up tipped and picked. It was not Cassel's fault. The fumble was not Cassel's fault. The 2nd INT was the old Cassel though he was trying to make a play in a game that we were out of but nonetheless was a bad decision.

All in all he looked good. He was put in a position that he was literally forced to score on every drive and was doing a good job of it until some others started choking.

I'm not down on him yet. If our defense was worth half a **** today we most likley stomp Atlanta.

COchief · 09-09-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by farmerchief

Cassel looked Ok, but the missed FG set the tone for rest of game!

Yeah, tell that to any real NFL QB and they'll laugh their asses off. Look at the adversity Eli has overcome in huge games time and time again and tell me a missed field goal is enough to write off a rookie like 2nd half.

Am I the only one who noticed a single covered WR running wide open directly in front of Castle when he threw that pick across his body?

tredadda · 09-09-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by R8ers

I am gonna side with the OP and Cassel here.... I thought he played good, 17 points is enough to win if you play decent D

This is a pass happy league. 17 points a game is not going to consistently cut it.

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Putting aside what was Cassel's fault, I think we have the tools to be a good offense and I think when we get Hali and Flowers and Lewis back we'll obviously be much improved on defense. We just can't put a game into Cassel's hands and expect him to come back from over two scores down. Never will be able to. That's who he is. We all hate it, but I think we showed that we can win with this offense, provided the defense doesn't crap the bed like today. I want to see our defense at full strength before passing judgment.

I think he can come back from 2 scores down, provided the defense keeps the other team from consistently being 2 scores up

milkman · 09-09-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

It helps when your defense doesn't open the front door for the other team to score every drive.

We knew going into this game, without Hali and Flowers, that this defense was going to struggle.

This game had to fall on the offense, and Matty Melt.

When the chips fell, Matty Melt couldn't pick them up.

**cdcox** · 09-09-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by R8ers

I am gonna side with the OP and Cassel here.... I thought he played good, 17 points is enough to win if you play decent D

Thanks for your opinion, Herm.

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

This is a pass happy league. 17 points a game is not going to consistently cut it.

We had 3 drives end up in 0 points that were not Cassel's fault

Saccopoo · 09-09-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

There are QBs with better pocket mechanics that usually avoid those kinds of fumbles. Cassel winds up and has a hitch in his motion where he leaves the ball exposed longer than a prototypical pocket passer should. Also, others are better at feeling the pressure and sliding.

I'm not saying the fumble was Cassel's fault, but a lot of QBs would avoid that fumble.

For christs sake...he got ****ing blindsided on a free run by Abraham.

There's not a QB in the league that wouldn't have lost that ball.

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

We knew going into this game, without Hali and Flowers, that this defense was going to struggle.

This game had to fall on the offense, and Matty Melt.

When the chips fell, Matty Melt couldn't pick them up.

How so? Did he miss the FG? Did he miss the block that forced the fumble? Did he make Moaki weak arm a very catchable pass? Byt that time we were out of it. WTF was he supposed to do?

R8RFAN · 09-09-2012, 02:11 PM

aS ud POSTED IN ANOTHER THREAD

His 1st-half rating was 137.3

2nd half rating was 15.1

chiefzilla1501 · 09-09-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Putting aside what was Cassel's fault, I think we have the tools to be a good offense and I think when we get Hali and Flowers and Lewis back we'll obviously be much improved on defense. We just can't put a game into Cassel's hands and expect him to come back from over two scores down. Never will be able to. That's who he is. We all hate it, but I think we showed that we can win with this offense, provided the defense doesn't crap the bed like today. I want to see our defense at full strength before passing judgment.

That's the biggest problem. We can't just consider if Cassel did well. We have to consider if any other QB could have done just as well.

The fact is, Cassel had unbelievable protection in the first half and his primary or check down read was wide open on the majority of passes. I don't want to say that make the game easy. But there are lots of QBs that probably could have done well in the first half circumstances.

Again, I blame the second half mostly on Daboll. But there are lots of hints in this game that we should worry about elite defenses that can shut down our running game without stacking the box. And elite defenses that will get pressure on Cassel.

tredadda · 09-09-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

Hello? Do we have a winner?

It wouldn't have mattered if Cassel played well the whole game or not. This game was the defense's loss. They were forcing Cassel and the offense to be 100% perfect, and we know that's not something they're capable of. Anyone that blames this on Cassel is just looking for another reason for him to go.

Not saying the defense is innocent as it is not, but they gave up two scores when the offense gave Atlanta the ball in scoring position. Although the defense played poorly, it is not like the guy we have under center has ever or will ever be able to take this team on his shoulders, especially when we fall behind.

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

There are QBs with better pocket mechanics that usually avoid those kinds of fumbles. Cassel winds up and has a hitch in his motion where he leaves the ball exposed longer than a prototypical pocket passer should. Also, others are better at feeling the pressure and sliding.

I'm not saying the fumble was Cassel's fault, but a lot of QBs would avoid that fumble.

Dude I would say just about every QB gets tagged and most fumble in that situation. It wasn't like he held the ball too long or anything.

Toadkiller · 09-09-2012, 02:12 PM

Time to blow for Barkley

milkman · 09-09-2012, 02:12 PM

In chat, I said the moment that Succop missed that FG that that was the game.

Matt Cassel didn't lose this game, but I knew as soon as this team fell behind by 10 points that Matt Cassel couldn't win this game.

**notorious** · 09-09-2012, 02:12 PM

3seven is right.

Cassel could have kept playing like he did and we woud have lost.

09-09-2012, 01:53 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2774127	I was impressed with Cassel He didn't start to look like the old Cassel until the game was out of reach. His passes were crisp, ontime, to the correct receiver and he went through progressions. He marched us into scoring position until Moeaki decided to make a weak attempt at catching a ball which ended up tipped and picked. It was not Cassel's fault. The fumble was not Cassel's fault. The 2nd INT was the old Cassel though he was trying to make a play in a game that we were out of but nonetheless was a bad decision. All in all he looked good. He was put in a position that he was literally forced to score on every drive and was doing a good job of it until some others started choking. I'm not down on him yet. If our defense was worth half a **** today we most likley stomp Atlanta.
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