If not #1, where?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think you're ****ing crazy.

Gene Smith was fired. Mike Reindeldt was fired. Why? Overdrafting QB's that didn't pan out.

If that trend continues, GM's and coaches will be far more gunshy about taking a prospect in the first round that at any other time in NFL history, would have been rated as a 2nd, 3rd or even 4th rounder.

Those guys were fired because they were terrible GMs. Who are the marquee players on the Jaguars acquired by Gene Smith? One or two offensive linemen? MJD? Did he even draft MJD?

Gabbert wasn't the savior he needed. Gabbert needed some help around him like Matt Ryan got. No help came, so Gabbert sucked, which made the talentless team around him suck even more.

Those coaches and GMs deserve to get fired because they're awful at their jobs. Not because they took a risk on a QB.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

Those coaches and GMs deserve to get fired because they're awful at their jobs. Not because they took a risk on a QB.

So, you're saying that if Locker and Gabbert were successful QB's, both men would have been fired anyway?

I'm not buying that.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So, you're saying that if Locker and Gabbert were successful QB's, both men would have been fired anyway?

I'm not buying that.

Are you suggesting that if they had passed on Locker and Gabbert and continued winning 6-7 games with the veterans they had, they wouldn't have been?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Are you suggesting that if they had passed on Locker and Gabbert and continued winning 6-7 games with the veterans they had, they wouldn't have been?

I think it's possible, especially if they hadn't reached on QB's the year prior, yes. Reaching for a QB shows not only desperation but the fact that said GM can't properly evaluate quarterbacks.

Although Gene Smith had been on shaky ground for a long time.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So, you're saying that if Locker and Gabbert were successful QB's, both men would have been fired anyway?

I'm not buying that.

If they were successful QB's the team would've won. Winning masks a lot of issues. If they would have won, no, they wouldn't have been fired.

Yeah, drafting a QB is risky. But the rewards are tremendous.

Every GM/HC has to identify a QB. Every one of them.

How well they are able to identify that QB and then develop him is what keeps their Jobs or gets them fired.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So, you're saying that if Locker and Gabbert were successful QB's, both men would have been fired anyway?

I'm not buying that.

No, I'm saying the exact opposite.

Let's say you're Gene Smith. You know you're a shitty GM, but really want to keep your job. You have two options:

1) Draft a QB. A delicate process, but one that will keep you in business for years if it works out. A great QB = wins = a job. However, if the QB busts, the shitty job you've done with the team will be exposed and you'll get fired

2) Don't draft a QB. In spite of your shitty record with ALL first rounders, this might have a higher chance of generating a positive contributor to your football team in a QB year like 2011. However, even if your player hits, there's still the issue of the vacancy at QB as well as all the bullshit around that vacant QB you drafted before. You can draft this one guy and he can hit, but you need to do that AT LEAST ten more times before your team starts to play well and you get to keep your job.

So which one would you choose, Gene Smith? If I were that guy, I'd pick option #1. Hit on that QB and your job is gold. Whereas in #2, you can hit on that pick but your job is still in danger.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

No, I'm saying the exact opposite.

Let's say you're Gene Smith. You know you're a shitty GM, but really want to keep your job. You have two options:

1) Draft a QB. A delicate process, but one that will keep you in business for years if it works out. A great QB = wins = a job. However, if the QB busts, the shitty job you've done with the team will be exposed and you'll get fired

2) Don't draft a QB. In spite of your shitty record with ALL first rounders, this might have a higher chance of generating a positive contributor to your football team in a QB year like 2011. However, even if your player hits, there's still the issue of the vacancy at QB as well as all the bullshit around that vacant QB you drafted before. You can draft this one guy and he can hit, but you need to do that AT LEAST ten more times before your team starts to play well and you get to keep your job.

So which one would you choose, Gene Smith? If I were that guy, I'd pick option #1. Hit on that QB and your job is gold. Whereas in #2, you can hit on that pick but your job is still in danger.

I understand what you're saying but I also believe that Gene Smith is a rare circumstance because he had years to draft, develop or trade for a QB but it wasn't until his job was in jeopardy that he actually made the move.

So essentially, he drafted Gabbert out of fear instead of drafting him because he felt he was a franchise QB.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I understand what you're saying but I also believe that Gene Smith is a rare circumstance because he had years to draft, develop or trade for a QB but it wasn't until his job was in jeopardy that he actually made the move.

So essentially, he drafted Gabbert out of fear instead of drafting him because he felt he was a franchise QB.

And if he gets lucky and Blaine Gabbert is a pretty good QB, all that poor planning and drafting doesn't really matter. We're not even having this conversation.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

And if he gets lucky and Blaine Gabbert is a pretty good QB, all that poor planning and drafting doesn't really matter. We're not even having this conversation.

Gets lucky? So that's the criteria for a GM to select a first round QB?

"Well, what the ****?! I might get lucky!".

**** me if that's what John Dorsey and Andy Reid are thinking.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Gets lucky? So that's the criteria for a GM to select a first round QB?

"Well, what the ****?! I might get lucky!".

**** me if that's what John Dorsey and Andy Reid are thinking.

Are you saying Geno Smith = Gabbert?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Gets lucky? So that's the criteria for a GM to select a first round QB?

"Well, what the ****?! I might get lucky!".

**** me if that's what John Dorsey and Andy Reid are thinking.

Hold it. We're talking about Gene Smith, not John Dorsey. One at a time.