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**HemiEd** · 12:48 PM

Owners of Toyota Cars in Rebellion Over Series of Accidents Caused by Sudden Acceleration

Anyone else been following this story? They had a pretty graphic show on nightline about it last night.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Runawa...ory?id=8980479

Refusing to accept the explanation of Toyota and the federal government, hundreds of Toyota owners are in rebellion after a series of accidents caused by what they call "runaway cars."

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Department of Transportation: underlying defect causes accelerators to stick.

More PhotosSafety analysts found an estimated 2000 cases in which owners of Toyota cars including Camry, Prius and Lexus, reported that their cars surged without warning up to speeds of 100 miles per hour.

CLICK HERE FOR MORE OF THE RUNAWAY TOYOTAS STORY.

Toyota says the incidents are caused by floor mats becoming stuck under gas pedals, but owners say that's not what happened to them.

Watch the full report tonight on 'World News with Charles Gibson' and 'Nightline'.

"I'm absolutely certain that in my situation, it was not the floor mats," Elizabeth James told ABC News. She was driving her Toyota Prius outside Denver, CO when she says it suddenly shot up to 90 miles an hour, even though her foot was on the brake and not the gas pedal.

"I kept going faster and faster," James said. "And all of a sudden… my foot was pressing on the brake super, super hard and I wasn't slowing down."

James and some other Toyota owners suspect the accidents have been caused by some kind of glitch in the electronic computer system used in Toyotas that controls the throttle.

http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...at-recall.html

BWillie · 01-27-2010, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie

2000 "cases" out of 10's of millions of cars sold. Someone's looking for a payday.

They probably don't want to get hit w/ a big class action law suit and get nailed w/ punitive damages. If they just sit there w/ out taking any action now about the problems, its only going to get worse for them.

**HemiEd** · 01-27-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

Pinto...Vega...Chevette....should I go on about cars that are death traps?

mmaddog
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We were basically discussing cars, that could potentially still be on the road.

I am trying to figure out what you are even talking about, on most of those cars, the Pinto was the only one you mentioned with a safety issue, that I recall.

To say the Vega, Chevette and others were unsafe, would be a stretch when comparing them to the Japanese crap that was being sold to us at that time.

Honda CVCC anyone? That had to be the stinkingest pile of shit ever released for sale to the American public.

The Vega was a poorly designed (engine) rushed response to the CVCC and Corolla.
Are you referring to the Explorer, instead of the Bronco?

That being said, none of them had problems for 5 ****ing years that were killing people, without it getting fixed, all the time we were so stupid it was just the floormats.

**Bugeater** · 01-27-2010, 08:01 PM

My dad got hit by a semi truck in his Vega and he survived, so I'm not sure deathtrap is the appropriate word for it anyway. Pile of shit would be acceptable though.

Mosbonian · 01-27-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

How about a time frame more recent like since most on here were born?

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

No, it's not relevant, those cars were built back when the domestic automakers were still trying to figure out how to build a small car. It's not reflective of the vehicles being made today in any way.

Sounds like excuses to me....but in the interest of fulfilling both of your requirements for legitimacy...

Chevy Camaro...
Geo Storm...
Ford Explorer...
Tempo's...
Bronco's...

Does that meet your standards?

mmaddog
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Mosbonian · 01-27-2010, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Somebody needs to tell Toyota how great their cars are. They could use the boost right about now.

Seeing as how they've shut down in a heap of failure and all.

Unbelievable

Earth to CrazyHorse.....

I've never seen the Domestic Automakers have the stones to do something like this....why? Because they wouldn't have the stones to!

mmaddog
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Mosbonian · 01-27-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

We were basically discussing cars, that could potentially still be on the road.

I am trying to figure out what you are even talking about, on most of those cars, the Pinto was the only one you mentioned with a safety issue, that I recall.

To say the Vega, Chevette and others were unsafe, would be a stretch when comparing them to the Japanese crap that was being sold to us at that time.

Honda CVCC anyone? That had to be the stinkingest pile of shit ever released for sale to the American public.

The Vega was a poorly designed (engine) rushed response to the CVCC and Corolla.
Are you referring to the Explorer, instead of the Bronco?

That being said, none of them had problems for 5 ****ing years that were killing people, without it getting fixed, all the time we were so stupid it was just the floormats.

Sorry...but if you think the Chevette was safe by any standards, I'd like to get you my medical report from the injuries suffered when I got hit while driving one. Never mind the fact the little POS couldn't make it up the normal sized hill, but it was a true deathtrap in road collisions.

And the Vega, even with it's mechanical issues, was no better than the Chevette when it came to collision survival.

And, in case you forgot, the Bronco had rollover issues. Admittedly not as bad as some of the first foreign SUV's to hit this market, but it was still a problem. (And I saved the Explorer for the more "pertinent" time frame)

mmaddog
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**Bugeater** · 01-27-2010, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

Sounds like excuses to me....but in the interest of fulfilling both of your requirements for legitimacy...

Chevy Camaro...
Geo Storm...
Ford Explorer...
Tempo's...
Bronco's...

Does that meet your standards?

mmaddog
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For a deathtrap? No. For a worthless pile of shit? Some of them, yes. Not sure I'd put the Storm in that category though.

Mosbonian · 01-27-2010, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

My dad got hit by a semi truck in his Vega and he survived, so I'm not sure deathtrap is the appropriate word for it anyway. Pile of shit would be acceptable though.

Count your Father lucky......my friend wasn't. I had to attend his funeral 3 days short of his 19th birthday

mmaddog
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Mosbonian · 01-27-2010, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

For a deathtrap? No. For a worthless pile of shit? Some of them, yes. Not sure I'd put the Storm in that category though.

Sorry...we'll just have to agree to disagree.

mmaddog
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**Bugeater** · 01-27-2010, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

Sorry...but if you think the Chevette was safe by any standards, I'd like to get you my medical report from the injuries suffered when I got hit while driving one. Never mind the fact the little POS couldn't make it up the normal sized hill, but it was a true deathtrap in road collisions.

And the Vega, even with it's mechanical issues, was no better than the Chevette when it came to collision survival.

And, in case you forgot, the Bronco had rollover issues. Admittedly not as bad as some of the first foreign SUV's to hit this market, but it was still a problem. (And I saved the Explorer for the more "pertinent" time frame)

mmaddog
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Was the Chevette any less safe than the Hondas and Toyotas of the time? I doubt it. Hell one of the most unsafe vehicles ever sold in this country as far as collision survival was built by Volkswagon.

Mosbonian · 01-27-2010, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

Was the Chevette any less safe than the Hondas and Toyotas of the time? I doubt it. Hell one of the most unsafe vehicles ever sold in this country as far as collision survival was built by Volkswagon.

Volkswagen has always had issue...look at their Minivan. It may be a classic for the 'free love' generation, but it had "wind-storm rollover" written all over it.

Heck...even the Toyota Previa was a rollover problem because if it's high profile. Speaking of high profiles, what about the Chevy Astro or GMC Safari. Those have always been suspect....

mmaddog
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Rukdafaidas · 01-27-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

Sorry...but if you think the Chevette was safe by any standards, I'd like to get you my medical report from the injuries suffered when I got hit while driving one. Never mind the fact the little POS couldn't make it up the normal sized hill, but it was a true deathtrap in road collisions.

mmaddog
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When you bought the Chevette, did you think to yourself.....I bet this car would do well in a big collision.

Hell, you're lucky to be alive.

Those new Smart Cars double as caskets. You get in a wreck in one of them and they just bury you in the car.

CrazyHorse · 01-27-2010, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

Volkswagen has always had issue...look at their Minivan. It may be a classic for the 'free love' generation, but it had "wind-storm rollover" written all over it.

Heck...even the Toyota Previa was a rollover problem because if it's high profile. Speaking of high profiles, what about the Chevy Astro or GMC Safari. Those have always been suspect....

mmaddog
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You're just making shit up as you go.

And uhhhhh.....nobodies buyin it.

**Bugeater** · 01-27-2010, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mmaddog

Volkswagen has always had issue...look at their Minivan. It may be a classic for the 'free love' generation, but it had "wind-storm rollover" written all over it.

Heck...even the Toyota Previa was a rollover problem because if it's high profile. Speaking of high profiles, what about the Chevy Astro or GMC Safari. Those have always been suspect....

mmaddog
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The older Caravans had crosswind issues as well, the newer one I have now is lower to the ground and more aerodynamic, so far I haven't noticed any issues with it. And in reality any older vehicle without crumple zones or air bags is a death trap to some degree.

**Bugeater** · 01-27-2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rukdafaidas

When you bought the Chevette, did you think to yourself.....I bet this car would do well in a big collision.

Oh come on now, this one would've done much better.

11-04-2009, 11:44 AM
HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $3160564	Owners of Toyota Cars in Rebellion Over Accidents Caused by Sudden acceleration. Owners of Toyota Cars in Rebellion Over Series of Accidents Caused by Sudden Acceleration Anyone else been following this story? They had a pretty graphic show on nightline about it last night. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Runawa...ory?id=8980479 Refusing to accept the explanation of Toyota and the federal government, hundreds of Toyota owners are in rebellion after a series of accidents caused by what they call "runaway cars." Share Department of Transportation: underlying defect causes accelerators to stick. More PhotosSafety analysts found an estimated 2000 cases in which owners of Toyota cars including Camry, Prius and Lexus, reported that their cars surged without warning up to speeds of 100 miles per hour. CLICK HERE FOR MORE OF THE RUNAWAY TOYOTAS STORY. Toyota says the incidents are caused by floor mats becoming stuck under gas pedals, but owners say that's not what happened to them. Watch the full report tonight on 'World News with Charles Gibson' and 'Nightline'. "I'm absolutely certain that in my situation, it was not the floor mats," Elizabeth James told ABC News. She was driving her Toyota Prius outside Denver, CO when she says it suddenly shot up to 90 miles an hour, even though her foot was on the brake and not the gas pedal. "I kept going faster and faster," James said. "And all of a sudden… my foot was pressing on the brake super, super hard and I wasn't slowing down." James and some other Toyota owners suspect the accidents have been caused by some kind of glitch in the electronic computer system used in Toyotas that controls the throttle. http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...at-recall.html Last edited by HemiEd; 11-04-2009 at 12:48 PM..
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Bugeater The Maintenance Guy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Renovated Bugeater Estate Casino cash: $6242680	My dad got hit by a semi truck in his Vega and he survived, so I'm not sure deathtrap is the appropriate word for it anyway. Pile of shit would be acceptable though.
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