AFCW - going into Week 3

[Mile High Mania]

So, it was good to see that the division was 3-0 vs the NFC this weekend (Den > NYG, KC > DAL, SD > PHI). And, 3-0 vs the NFCE to boot - very nice.

Broncos 2-0
Chiefs 2-0
Raiders 1-1
Chargers 1-1

Not bad after 2 weeks, but I'm still not too sold really on either the Raiders or the Chargers. Chargers should be 2-0, but they're not and are very helter skelter. The Raiders ... they lost to the Colts and then beat the Jaguars. The Jags account for 2 of the 6 total wins within our division.

Week 3 -

The Raiders (1-1) travel to the Broncos (2-0) and honestly, while the 'any given Sunday' mantra is alive and well, Denver should win this by a big margin and move to 3-0 setting up back to back games vs the NFCE (Eagles and then Dallas). Broncos have had 2 big wins after sputtering in the first half of both games... the Raiders can win, they've shocked Denver at home in recent years. No time to fall asleep or get lazy for the Broncos.

The Chiefs (2-0) travel to Philly (1-1) - and this will be an interesting one as the Eagles can be explosive, but KC's defense is legit. Can the KC offense step it up? This is one where both Charles and Alex Smith need to be big. I think KC needs a statement win. The Jags suck and while Dallas has weapons, they have a mediocre record in recent years and losing at KC shouldn't have been a shock really. But, if KC wants that 'respect' and to quiet the doubters --- the offense needs to match the defense this week and make this a statement win.

The Chargers (1-1) travel to the Titans (1-1) and oddly enough, the Titans have played fairly well. Both teams were bitten late vs the Texans, so anything goes I guess.

This is a week where I honestly think the home teams prevail. There's a lot up for debate with KC/PHI and SD/TN ... and wouldn't be surprised if either/both AFCW teams won. However, I think the home teams pretect their yards this week.

It would be good though to see KC and SD win in week 3.

You?

[Halfcan]

Donks have not beaten the teams as so much as their competition have beaten themselves. Giants and ravens both handed those game to them on a silver platter with turnovers, bad coaching and quitting the seconde half. You just can't make mistakes against the donks period-they will make you pay most every time. Faders have a history of coughing up games and are in for a beat down.

Manning has to love throwing 1 yard passes and getting 30 YAC most every play-lol.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Donks have not beaten the teams as so much as their competition have beaten themselves. Giants and ravens both handed those game to them on a silver platter with turnovers, bad coaching and quitting the seconde half. You just can't make mistakes against the donks period-they will make you pay most every time. Faders have a history of coughing up games and are in for a beat down.

Manning has to love throwing 1 yard passes and getting 30 YAC most every play-lol.

I somewhat agree, but I think it's stretching it to say that the Broncos haven't beaten their opponents. It's true that turnovers and missed tackles are a big reason for the losses, but the Broncos' offense is potent enough that they can capitalize on those types of things quickly and suddenly put the game out of reach.

One thing I've learned from watching Manning play every week the last couple years (I live in Bronco country after all) is that Manning's biggest strength may not be his arm strength or his accuracy. Instead, I think he's perhaps the best to ever play the game at finding guys who are open and can get some good YAC. If you watch their games, he throws a lot of passes that just plain don't look great. But then the next play, he turns around and throws a wobbler to a guy with no one within 15 yards of him.

Anyway, this turned into a bit of a ramble, but the point is I think we're fooling ourselves if we think that the Broncos are just getting lucky. They're a VERY solid team this year unless Manning goes down to injury. Whether they can win in the playoffs or not, I'm less confident about.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I somewhat agree, but I think it's stretching it to say that the Broncos haven't beaten their opponents. It's true that turnovers and missed tackles are a big reason for the losses, but the Broncos' offense is potent enough that they can capitalize on those types of things quickly and suddenly put the game out of reach.

One thing I've learned from watching Manning play every week the last couple years (I live in Bronco country after all) is that Manning's biggest strength may not be his arm strength or his accuracy. Instead, I think he's perhaps the best to ever play the game at finding guys who are open and can get some good YAC. If you watch their games, he throws a lot of passes that just plain don't look great. But then the next play, he turns around and throws a wobbler to a guy with no one within 15 yards of him.

Anyway, this turned into a bit of a ramble, but the point is I think we're fooling ourselves if we think that the Broncos are just getting lucky. They're a VERY solid team this year unless Manning goes down to injury. Whether they can win in the playoffs or not, I'm less confident about.

Good take. The repeated comments on Peyton's arm strength and all that is interesting to me. It's not like the guy can no longer throw a good pass and I don't think you're saying that at all.

At first, many were saying the receivers were average and it was because of Maning they're putting up big numbers. Sounds like some (maybe not you) want to suggest that it's actually now more the receivers and not so much Peyton that are actually doing all the work.

Peyton's made some nice passes - in the first two games though, way too many drops. Decker needs to get his head right, I think he spent too much time with his hot wife and the reality show in the offseason. Welker dropped a couple yesterday and the others have as well.

No, they're not always pretty... but he is damn effective and when he needs to thread a needle - he can still do it. I don't like him having 80+ attempts in the first 2 games and I really don't like Moreno doing well, because I fear they'll trust him again and he'll rear his ugly head again when it matters most... @ Dallas or @ KC, something like that.

(off topic) Moreno has talent, but he has a $.02 brain and I will never trust him again... yes, played well yesterday, great blocks and nice fumble recovery with the yards and the TDs. But, I'm not convinced that he's still not a knucklehead.

Can't believe Ball fumbled it (again) on that first drive... him and Hillman, with Moreno have to be the holy trinity of butterfingers for a RB trio. Again, that's why they're passing so damn much.

Anywho... they're making great second half adjustments, need to put it all together for a full game. And, kudos to the defense - while they're giving up too many big plays and 50+ points in two games is too much, they're not pathetic. Lots of young guys getting valuable experience right now...

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Good take. The repeated comments on Peyton's arm strength and all that is interesting to me. It's not like the guy can no longer throw a good pass and I don't think you're saying that at all.

At first, many were saying the receivers were average and it was because of Maning they're putting up big numbers. Sounds like some (maybe not you) want to suggest that it's actually now more the receivers and not so much Peyton that are actually doing all the work.

Peyton's made some nice passes - in the first two games though, way too many drops. Decker needs to get his head right, I think he spent too much time with his hot wife and the reality show in the offseason. Welker dropped a couple yesterday and the others have as well.

No, they're not always pretty... but he is damn effective and when he needs to thread a needle - he can still do it. I don't like him having 80+ attempts in the first 2 games and I really don't like Moreno doing well, because I fear they'll trust him again and he'll rear his ugly head again when it matters most... @ Dallas or @ KC, something like that.

(off topic) Moreno has talent, but he has a $.02 brain and I will never trust him again... yes, played well yesterday, great blocks and nice fumble recovery with the yards and the TDs. But, I'm not convinced that he's still not a knucklehead.

Can't believe Ball fumbled it (again) on that first drive... him and Hillman, with Moreno have to be the holy trinity of butterfingers for a RB trio. Again, that's why they're passing so damn much.

Anywho... they're making great second half adjustments, need to put it all together for a full game. And, kudos to the defense - while they're giving up too many big plays and 50+ points in two games is too much, they're not pathetic. Lots of young guys getting valuable experience right now...

Yeah, to clarify, I'm not saying Peyton's arm is weak by any means. What I mean is more that his bread and butter isn't necessarily throwing a perfect pass every time nor chucking it 50 yards down the field on a regular basis. He does both on occasion, but he also sometimes overthrows an easy pass, throws behind a receiver, etc. In other words, he's human.

But the thing that sets him apart is that he sometimes throws those imperfect passes to guys who don't have anyone anywhere near them. He's absolutely fantastic at finding the guy everyone on the defense forgot about, even when they're the 3rd or 4th option. In addition, he's still got a good knack for extending plays and, again, finding the guy who manages to slip out in the open during the chaos.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Donks have not beaten the teams as so much as their competition have beaten themselves.Ch-ullshit Giants and ravens both handed those game to them on a silver platter with turnoversthat the defense created, bad coaching and quitting the seconde halfLOL..yeah John H and Tom C are bad coaches. You just can't make mistakes against the donks period-they will make you pay most every timetrue, but you could say that about most teams. Faders have a history of coughing up games and are in for a beat down.Not so sure about that, this will be a close game, it always is

Manning has to love throwing 1 yard passes and getting 30 YAC most every play-lol.huh? Are you watching the games or are you just using the Force?

responses in bold ;P

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

responses in bold ;P

Coaching- Game 1 manning skips one that gets counted by the Loveing and Adoring refs. Harbaugh goes deer eyed and does not throw the flag. Donks make them pay for the poor coaching- a close game is pretty much over after that.

Yesterday- Giants could go into half with lead-kick a chip shot field goal-instead throw a pic into triple coverage. Might as well take a shot right and hope there is enough time to get the FG. Poor choice-Donks were waiting.

Good teams seem to get lucky-and the donks have had every call their way-they will be tough to beat. If the Faders don't shut down Manning's two yard wobblers to open guys-they won't have a shot. I think the Donks play it smart and wait for the gifts to come their way like they have the last two games.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Coaching- Game 1 manning skips one that gets counted by the Loveing and Adoring refs. Harbaugh goes deer eyed and does not throw the flag. Donks make them pay for the poor coaching- a close game is pretty much over after that.

Yesterday- Giants could go into half with lead-kick a chip shot field goal-instead throw a pic into triple coverage. Might as well take a shot right and hope there is enough time to get the FG. Poor choice-Donks were waiting.

Good teams seem to get lucky-and the donks have had every call their way-they will be tough to beat. If the Faders don't shut down Manning's two yard wobblers to open guys-they won't have a shot. I think the Donks play it smart and wait for the gifts to come their way like they have the last two games.

Again, I kind of agree. However, when most teams get a call that goes their way, they might have a good drive to take advantage of it, then go back to normal. When the Broncos have had calls go their way, they use them to completely destroy the other teams' momentum beyond repair. That's not all luck.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Again, I kind of agree. However, when most teams get a call that goes their way, they might have a good drive to take advantage of it, then go back to normal. When the Broncos have had calls go their way, they use them to completely destroy the other teams' momentum beyond repair. That's not all luck.

Yep true. I think it is just how it is. We saw that yesterday with the refs pushing to get a Cowboy win. Manning brings in the most money of any NFL player to the league and will Always get special treatment.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Coaching- Game 1 manning skips one that gets counted by the Loveing and Adoring refs. Harbaugh goes deer eyed and does not throw the flag. Donks make them pay for the poor coaching- a close game is pretty much over after that.

Yesterday- Giants could go into half with lead-kick a chip shot field goal-instead throw a pic into triple coverage. Might as well take a shot right and hope there is enough time to get the FG. Poor choice-Donks were waiting.

Good teams seem to get lucky-and the donks have had every call their way-they will be tough to beat. If the Faders don't shut down Manning's two yard wobblers to open guys-they won't have a shot. I think the Donks play it smart and wait for the gifts to come their way like they have the last two games.

Not all calls go their way... that drive yesterday in the 2H when there were like 4 defensive penalties ... 2 were total BS. That's the only way NY scores there...

And, they're doing much more than just waiting on gifts.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Not all calls go their way... that drive yesterday in the 2H when there were like 4 defensive penalties ... 2 were total BS. That's the only way NY scores there...

And, they're doing much more than just waiting on gifts.

yes those calls were BS- I think they did that to try and keep BOTH Mannings in the game. But overall you can't say Peyton does not get extra special treatment-always has and always will. You hated it when he was a Colt but now......

Yep we would love it too-lol

[Old Dog]

Gimme KC, Tennessee, and Denver

[Mile High Mania]

Ah, so those mistakes and the wins were all gifts... got it.

[Chiefsfan12]

Our offense really could have put the game away yesterday with one more score in the fourth quarter. Defense was holding Romo pretty well and getting crap calls with pass interference.

Our offense had a perfect first drive to score but pretty much laid an egg for the rest of the game. I give them credit for finishing off the game by controlling the clock, but I want to see them score and put more pressure on offenses and giving our D more confidence.

Offense needs to step ip
I love our defense.

[mr. tegu]

After the first two games my biggest concern is that Reid won't properly use Charles, who is our best weapon.