If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by BossChief

He got hurt the next year iirc.

That is the exact point I'm making. In order for this trade to be successful then Alex Smith needs to be healthy and on the field for the next 5 to 10 years with playoff wins under his belt if not winning the Super Bowl.


This is a throw away year even though the talent is there to win now. Most of it is going be on the production of the quarterback and if he can stay on the field 16 games and for the playoff if we get so lucky.

[Rasputin]

Chiefs average starting quarterback for the last 40 years is 2.5 seasons with Trent Green being the longest seasoned QB with 5 years.

That's what we get with retreads. We don't get growth as a team or franchise to be contenders year after year.

[patteeu]

What a tragedy it is that we're missing out on drafting the next Mike Cloud, Turk McBride, Junior Saivii, or Kawika Mitchell.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by patteeu

What a tragedy it is that we're missing out on drafting the next Mike Cloud, Turk McBride, Junior Saivii, or Kawika Mitchell.

Or the next Kaepernick.

Also Mitchell was a starting LB on a dominant SB winning Giants defense.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by patteeu

What a tragedy it is that we're missing out on drafting the next Mike Cloud, Turk McBride, Junior Saivii, or Kawika Mitchell.

I'm sorry patteeu but this it is the coward way to think. This is exactly what Carl Peterson has put in the fanbaselines head all these years.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Or the next Kaepernick.

Also Mitchell was a starting LB on a dominant SB winning Giants defense.

I included Mitchell to be fair. He was a starter, but no one is going to mistake him for a star. Brandon Flowers was a 2nd rounder too, iirc, so it's clearly possible to get star-quality players in the second round. But the people wringing their hands over the compensation we gave up for Alex Smith aren't recognizing the miss rate on those picks.

The bottom line is that if Alex Smith pans out, the compensation was cheap. If he doesn't, he wouldn't have been worth even a single second day pick.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by patteeu

What a tragedy it is that we're missing out on drafting the next Mike Cloud, Turk McBride, Junior Saivii, or Kawika Mitchell.

So because the Chiefs' brain trust of the past has been shitty at drafting in Round 2, every other team in the NFL is shitty at drafting in Round 2?

Got it.

And second round picks are never used to move up in the draft to get a much-wanted player, right (no matter the position)?

It's not just the picks. It's ALL the options that are closed without them.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I included Mitchell to be fair. He was a starter, but no one is going to mistake him for a star. Brandon Flowers was a 2nd rounder too, iirc, so it's clearly possible to get star-quality players in the second round. But the people wringing their hands over the compensation we gave up for Alex Smith aren't recognizing the miss rate on those picks.

The bottom line is that if Alex Smith pans out, the compensation was cheap. If he doesn't, he wouldn't have been worth even a single second day pick.

I think my biggest beef is those picks could be used as ammo if we want to move up in the 1st next year for our QBOTF, more so than the players we lose at those picks.

We should have just offered up the 2nd this year and if they get a better offer just go get Kolb as a stop gap for a 5th. There is little difference between Kolb and Alice and Kolb knows Reids system.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I think my biggest beef is those picks could be used as ammo if we want to move up in the 1st next year for our QBOTF, more so than the players we lose at those picks.

We should have just offered up the 2nd this year and if they get a better offer just go get Kolb as a stop gap for a 5th. There is little difference between Kolb and Alice and Kolb knows Reids system.

Next years QB class is substandard. The 2013's class is/was substantially better at the same point.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Next years QB class is substandard. The 2013's class is/was substantially better at the same point.

Shit changes. RG3 and Tannehill were after thoughts at one point. I'm pretty sure Ryan and Flacco were as well the year before they came out.

The class could suck, but I'd rather punt on the QB position another year than do what they did.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

This is a throw away year even though the talent is there to win now.

I'm just not willing to concede the season sight unseen.

Maybe I am a homer.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Coogs

I'm just not willing to concede the season sight unseen.

Maybe I am a homer.

I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than have expectations squashed and heart step on another year.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than have expectations squashed and heart step on another year.

No way to say this without it seeming an insult... it isn't really meaning to.. but THAT is the cowardly mindset. You have to throw yourself into most things in life, and be willing to accept the potential disappointment that may follow.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

No way to say this without it seeming an insult... it isn't really meaning to.. but THAT is the cowardly mindset. You have to throw yourself into most things in life, and be willing to accept the potential disappointment that may follow.

SHUT THE **** UP. IM NOT THE COWARD WHO PASSES ON PROSPECT QUARTERBACKS IN THE DRAFT.


**** OFF NO ONE WANTS YOU HERE.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

So because the Chiefs' brain trust of the past has been shitty at drafting in Round 2, every other team in the NFL is shitty at drafting in Round 2?

Got it.

And second round picks are never used to move up in the draft to get a much-wanted player, right (no matter the position)?

It's not just the picks. It's ALL the options that are closed without them.

No, it's the entire NFL. I just used the Chiefs' picks as recognizable examples. It's ok that you don't like the choice of Alex Smith, but your concern over the price paid for him, as if that's your main point of contention, is nonsense.