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Old 02-02-2012, 08:27 PM   #1
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Not ALWAYS. I think most teams suffer 1 blow out a season or so where they just don't play well. That's just the rare occurance of a team playing badly.

We got blown out 4 times in one season. Out of the 27 blowouts in Chiefs history 9 came under Haley in 2 1/2 seasons. Thos 9 are not a rare occurance. Those 9 were becoming a ****ing tradition that screams terrible coaching.
Good teams have games where a good defense gives up a lot of points. The difference is, Aaron Rodgers can put up 30 points to make the game competitive.

The Chiefs lost in blowouts because if the defense wasn't nails, Matt Cassel wasn't a good enough QB to keep up. This is a QB-driven league. in QB-driven leagues, teams put up points. If your team doesn't put up points against a team who does, you get blown out.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:57 PM   #2
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Good teams have games where a good defense gives up a lot of points. The difference is, Aaron Rodgers can put up 30 points to make the game competitive.

The Chiefs lost in blowouts because if the defense wasn't nails, Matt Cassel wasn't a good enough QB to keep up. This is a QB-driven league. in QB-driven leagues, teams put up points. If your team doesn't put up points against a team who does, you get blown out.
Dude, I'm sorry but when 1/3 of your teams' 27 historical blowouts come under one coach in 2 1/2 seasons then something is wrong with the coaching.

9 blowouts under Haley. It took Haley 2 1/2 seasons to do what it took other teams 23 years respectively to do the same. And we had some pretty shitty teams. Think about that for a second...18 blowouts in 46 years and Todd Haley gets 9 in 2 1/2!
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:59 PM   #3
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Dude, I'm sorry but when 1/3 of your teams' 27 historical blowouts come under one coach in 2 1/2 seasons then something is wrong with the coaching.

9 blowouts under Haley. It took Haley 2 1/2 seasons to do what it took other teams 23 years respectively to do the same. And we had some pretty shitty teams. Think about that for a second...18 blowouts in 46 years and Todd Haley gets 9 in 2 1/2!
Say it.

Matt Cassel can lead this team to the playoffs in a QB driven league.

Just say it. And I'll back off.

The Chiefs got blown out because when their defense wasn't nails, our QB couldn't put up 20 points. Aaron Rodgers can. Often.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:01 PM   #4
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Say it.

Matt Cassel can lead this team to the playoffs in a QB driven league.

Just say it. And I'll back off.

The Chiefs got blown out because when their defense wasn't nails, our QB couldn't put up 20 points. Aaron Rodgers can. Often.


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Old 02-02-2012, 09:02 PM   #5
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Say it.

The Chiefs can make the playoffs behind Matt Cassel in a QB driven league. That's all I'm asking. (against a regular schedule).
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:10 PM   #6
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Say it.

The Chiefs can make the playoffs behind Matt Cassel in a QB driven league. That's all I'm asking. (against a regular schedule).
Um, yea seeing as they DID
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:11 PM   #7
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Um, yea seeing as they DID
Against a regular schedule.

And I should add... without Jamaal Charles to take the ball away from Matt Cassel.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:02 PM   #8
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Say it.

Matt Cassel can lead this team to the playoffs in a QB driven league.

Just say it. And I'll back off.

The Chiefs got blown out because when their defense wasn't nails, our QB couldn't put up 20 points. Aaron Rodgers can. Often.
Yeah, he can piggyback on the good players and ride until he crashes the bus into an AIDS tree and it explodes in a hail of fiery HIV.

Eat shit.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:06 PM   #9
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Yeah, he can piggyback on the good players and ride until he crashes the bus into an AIDS tree and it explodes in a hail of fiery HIV.

Eat shit.
The Chiefs came into their own the second half of the year because of Justin Houston and ultimately Kyle Orton. Until those two ended up in the picture, the defense didn't have nearly enough talent and our QB (a critical position) brought our team down.

All of you hate Matt Cassel. All of you say the QB is critical. All of you would trade the entire Chiefs' draft, your first born, and the key too Zuul for a franchise QB. Yet nobody here, not a single person, can say that the Chiefs would have made the playoffs had they had a good QB all season long. Orton isn't even a great QB. He's good enough.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:11 PM   #10
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The Chiefs came into their own the second half of the year because of Justin Houston and ultimately Kyle Orton. Until those two ended up in the picture, the defense didn't have nearly enough talent and our QB (a critical position) brought our team down.

All of you hate Matt Cassel. All of you say the QB is critical. All of you would trade the entire Chiefs' draft, your first born, and the key too Zuul for a franchise QB. Yet nobody here, not a single person, can say that the Chiefs would have made the playoffs had they had a good QB all season long. Orton isn't even a great QB. He's good enough.
Huh? I will say that the kansas city chiefs would have absolutely made the playoffs with just a good qb all season long.

The real reason our d started looking so dominant is because orton cut down on the % of three and out drives.

But again that is moot if we come out strong and win in weeks one and two, even with palko starting four games.


Why won't you just say that one time?
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:14 PM   #11
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Huh? I will say that the kansas city chiefs would have absolutely made the playoffs with just a good qb all season long.

The real reason our d started looking so dominant is because orton cut down on the % of three and out drives.

But again that is moot if we come out strong and win in weeks one and two, even with palko starting four games.


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I've said multiple times that it was a huge mistake the first two games. Like I said, it's ridiculous to dwell on 2 games when the coach got more out of the next 14 games than many coaches would have gotten out of 16.

But the fact of the matter is that for the next umpteen games, the ONLY reason the Chiefs were competitive was because coaching turned an average roster into a decent one.

Without Jamaal Charles and Berry, this team had no business making the playoffs. They didn't have enough talent. And that's not because of coaching. And it starts with a HUGE whiff on the GM at the QB position.
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The Chiefs came into their own the second half of the year because of Justin Houston and ultimately Kyle Orton. Until those two ended up in the picture, the defense didn't have nearly enough talent and our QB (a critical position) brought our team down.

All of you hate Matt Cassel. All of you say the QB is critical. All of you would trade the entire Chiefs' draft, your first born, and the key too Zuul for a franchise QB. Yet nobody here, not a single person, can say that the Chiefs would have made the playoffs had they had a good QB all season long. Orton isn't even a great QB. He's good enough.
I can say Peyton Manning took a team that was 2-14 without him to 10-6 and the playoffs. In fact, get a load of this:

Since being taken with the No. 1 overall pick in 1998, Manning has led the Colts to 11 playoff appearances, 11 double-digit winning seasons, eight division crowns, two AFC titles and a Super Bowl championship.

What team has had this level of success consistently without a franchise QB? Maybe the Ravens?
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The Chiefs came into their own the second half of the year because of Justin Houston and ultimately Kyle Orton. Until those two ended up in the picture, the defense didn't have nearly enough talent and our QB (a critical position) brought our team down.

All of you hate Matt Cassel. All of you say the QB is critical. All of you would trade the entire Chiefs' draft, your first born, and the key too Zuul for a franchise QB. Yet nobody here, not a single person, can say that the Chiefs would have made the playoffs had they had a good QB all season long. Orton isn't even a great QB. He's good enough.
We would have easily made the playoffs had we had a average QB such as Orton this year. I can think of 3 games we probably win that we lost....SD #1, Denver #1 and Pittsburgh.


I don't get what your argument is? One time you are saying Cassel is good enough and the other you are saying he isn't. WTF is it?
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The Chiefs came into their own the second half of the year because of Justin Houston and ultimately Kyle Orton. Until those two ended up in the picture, the defense didn't have nearly enough talent and our QB (a critical position) brought our team down.

All of you hate Matt Cassel. All of you say the QB is critical. All of you would trade the entire Chiefs' draft, your first born, and the key too Zuul for a franchise QB. Yet nobody here, not a single person, can say that the Chiefs would have made the playoffs had they had a good QB all season long. Orton isn't even a great QB. He's good enough.
Yeah, Orton was nails, putting up a shit ton of points and all.
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Yeah, Orton was nails, putting up a shit ton of points and all.
The Chiefs were a much better team under Orton than under Cassel.

Period.

And Orton isn't even a great QB. He's average. But the QB isn't important. So Haley should have won behind a QB who wasn't even close to as good as an average QB like Orton.
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