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[SupDock]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Everything you just described leans to AC joint not rotator cuff.

I don’t know. I have no AC tenderness, no pain reaching across my body, no pain laying on my side. My most painful motion is elbow flexed to 90, shoulder flexed so the arm is parallell to the ground, then internally rotating.

That’s why my guess is labrum or RC

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by SupDock

I don’t know. I have no AC tenderness, no pain reaching across my body, no pain laying on my side. My most painful motion is elbow flexed to 90, shoulder flexed so the arm is parallell to the ground, then internally rotating.

That’s why my guess is labrum or RC

Th elbow above head causing pain is a common symptom of AC. Do you ever feel/hear any popping when moving arm around?

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Th elbow above head causing pain is a common symptom of AC. Do you ever feel/hear any popping when moving arm around?

All the time. Mainly with external rotation with elbow flexed starting from internal rotation and 90 degrees shoulder flex ion. (Like a throwing motion but arm forward instead of abducted)

[Bearcat]

You guys probably know way more about it than I do, but youtube research has talked me out of upright rows (plus, for me, it's always felt kind of awkward)... I think Athlean-X dude has a video talking about avoiding strain/resistance with internal rotation.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

You guys probably know way more about it than I do, but youtube research has talked me out of upright rows (plus, for me, it's always felt kind of awkward)... I think Athlean-X dude has a video talking about avoiding strain/resistance with internal rotation.

Upright rows are fine as long as you don't go too high. Once the bar gets higher than nipple level you are getting into the 'danger' zone and can easily injur shoulders.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

You guys probably know way more about it than I do, but youtube research has talked me out of upright rows (plus, for me, it's always felt kind of awkward)... I think Athlean-X dude has a video talking about avoiding strain/resistance with internal rotation.

Can you tell me what you are hoping to accomplish with upright rows that can't be accomplished more efficiently with other exercises? To me they seem rather pointless, especially if it's not something that feels right for you. Side delts? Do side raises. Front delts? Do front raises. Traps? Do shrugs.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by loochy

Can you tell me what you are hoping to accomplish with upright rows that can't be accomplished more efficiently with other exercises? To me they seem rather pointless, especially if it's not something that feels right for you. Side delts? Do side raises. Front delts? Do front raises. Traps? Do shrugs.

I find I don’t really need to work the anterior delt much, as you hit it with a lot of other motions (bench, overhead press)

I do my upright rows with dumbbell and my palms mostly face each other. I also don’t get my elbows above my head.

I have heard narrow grip with a barbell can be rough on the shoulders

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by SupDock

I find I don’t really need to work the anterior delt much, as you hit it with a lot of other motions (bench, overhead press)

I do my upright rows with dumbbell and my palms mostly face each other. I also don’t get my elbows above my head.

I have heard narrow grip with a barbell can be rough on the shoulders

I rarely to uprights but when I do I either use the EZ Curl bar or use a rope on the cables.

Easier on joints than a straight barbell.

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by SupDock

I find I don’t really need to work the anterior delt much, as you hit it with a lot of other motions (bench, overhead press)

This is exactly what I do. lots of cable side lateral + rear delt work on any push focused days. I don't even military anymore, just super high incline with dumbells.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Upright rows are fine as long as you don't go too high. Once the bar gets higher than nipple level you are getting into the 'danger' zone and can easily injur shoulders.

Gotcha, I've heard a fee different things as far as bar/hand position or elbows not getting too high.

Originally Posted by loochy

Can you tell me what you are hoping to accomplish with upright rows that can't be accomplished more efficiently with other exercises? To me they seem rather pointless, especially if it's not something that feels right for you. Side delts? Do side raises. Front delts? Do front raises. Traps? Do shrugs.

That's actually another reason I stopped doing them... there was a goof Nippard video about the most pointless exercises and that was one of them. And while I don't take much of what they say and immediately change my routine, between multiple pros having multiple reasons for not doing them and some shoulder awkwardness, I quit doing them.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Gotcha, I've heard a fee different things as far as bar/hand position or elbows not getting too high.



That's actually another reason I stopped doing them... there was a goof Nippard video about the most pointless exercises and that was one of them. And while I don't take much of what they say and immediately change my routine, between multiple pros having multiple reasons for not doing them and some shoulder awkwardness, I quit doing them.

I love Jeff Nippard. Also like Ryan Humiston and Jeremy Ethier.
Athlean X is a a little click bait for me. “Everything is ruining your gains!!!!”

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by SupDock

I love Jeff Nippard. Also like Ryan Humiston and Jeremy Ethier.
Athlean X is a a little click bait for me. “Everything is ruining your gains!!!!”

Haven't heard of Humiston, but will check him out. I also follow Ethier and that one Baaahston guy.

And yeah, Athlean-X has a lot of clickbait headlines and will also sometimes criticize Nippard and others for the "workout smarter" mentality. I like his best/worst lists just for providing some things to think about in terms of simplifying workouts.

I've probably gotten the most from Nippard's research and some of Ethier's videos (he's been focusing a lot lately on chest, with a lot of pointers on getting the most from bench pressing without having your arms and shoulders doing all the work).

[BigOlChiefsfan]

This might not be everyone's cuppa tea, but I picked up a pair of old 'indian clubs' at a garage sale, went online and found that these things were real popular here in the US 100 years ago. Groups of folks would exercise with 'em together - there's even some footage of KC schoolchildren on here. Here's an into: https://www.artofmanliness.com/healt...club-training/ Her'es the kc kids https://www.pinterest.com/pin/141441244520516765/ Let me point out that if you want to read up on this stuff, limit yourself to 'indian club swinging' not 'indian swingers clubs'. Whole nother ballgame. I've used a pair of framing hammers to do these moves, you could whittle your own clubs out of firewood if you wanted. They're for sale online, of course, but the garage sale relics I use suit me fine. I did pay up to get a mace to 'move up' in weight a bit - once again, a slege hammer might already be in the garage and will work fine. https://www.artofmanliness.com/healt...workout-video/ I've managed to lose about 95 lbs of 'stop smoking cigarettes' weight that I put on 25 years ago and these clubs and some dumb bells were about all I really used for workouts. I did load 20 lbs of split peas into my backpack, and started going for long walks around the parks here in JoCo to burn off lbs. Worked pretty well. And I'm still here. That has to count for something.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by BigOlChiefsfan

This might not be everyone's cuppa tea, but I picked up a pair of old 'indian clubs' at a garage sale, went online and found that these things were real popular here in the US 100 years ago. Groups of folks would exercise with 'em together - there's even some footage of KC schoolchildren on here. Here's an into: https://www.artofmanliness.com/healt...club-training/ Her'es the kc kids https://www.pinterest.com/pin/141441244520516765/ Let me point out that if you want to read up on this stuff, limit yourself to 'indian club swinging' not 'indian swingers clubs'. Whole nother ballgame. I've used a pair of framing hammers to do these moves, you could whittle your own clubs out of firewood if you wanted. They're for sale online, of course, but the garage sale relics I use suit me fine. I did pay up to get a mace to 'move up' in weight a bit - once again, a slege hammer might already be in the garage and will work fine. https://www.artofmanliness.com/healt...workout-video/ I've managed to lose about 95 lbs of 'stop smoking cigarettes' weight that I put on 25 years ago and these clubs and some dumb bells were about all I really used for workouts. I did load 20 lbs of split peas into my backpack, and started going for long walks around the parks here in JoCo to burn off lbs. Worked pretty well. And I'm still here. That has to count for something.

Hell yeah dude! I remember the Iron Sheik used to use those!

[BigOlChiefsfan]

Yep - we call them 'Indian Clubs' because the Brits ran across them while they were in India, but the Persians/Iranians were using 'em too. They're really good for swordsmen who fight on horseback and wrestlers - your shoulders and chest/torso gets a useful workout and you're more likely to whip your opponent. Well, I haven't been on a horse since about 3rd grade, but I've really found these things useful for what ails ME. My neck and shoulder muscles are stronger - and don't cause me quite as much grief as they used to. I'd get really tight shoulder muscle 'aches and pains' all the time. Using these things even 10 minutes a day seems to have fixed that. The big clubs like the Iron Shiek uses are called 'meels' and I haven't really worked my way up to 'em yet. Might not need to. The little clubs, a pair of framing hammers that I use like the little clubs and that 10 lb iron Mace seems like enough for my purposes. And a couple 3 or 4 kettlebells. Anyway - I see it as 'do something, even if it's not cool - do something that you CAN do and keep doing it'. Plus, who knows. We might have to go back to swordfighting on horseback. Anything could happen.