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Old 02-09-2014, 04:47 PM  
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A ton of Kiper tidbits, some involving the Chiefs.
If you're a Kiper hater, PLEASE SKIP THIS THREAD.

Conversations about whether Kiper's an idiot bore the shit out of me.

Enjoy the draft nuggets. That is all.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Johnny Manziel is the NFL's consensus No. 1 QB http://sbn.to/1aznPXK

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Seattle: "Everybody doesn't have the array of talent that the Seahawks do. Everybody's going to copy that and I say good luck."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper doesn't think Sammy Watkins will slip past the fifth pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
I'll have to go back and listen, but now Kiper just said Breeland is a third or fourth rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Borland: I don't care how tall he is. He's got great instincts, love his approach. He's going to be a second round pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks all three top offensive tackles go in the top 11. He has Robinson No. 2 to St. Louis.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said the majority of teams have it Robinson, Lewan and Matthews.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Jake Matthews may be slipping a bit because some teams view him as a right tackle.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper mentioned 3rd round for Austin Seferian-Jenkins, which makes me sad.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the Ravens should look at Eric Ebron in the first round, if he's not there a WR.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Bashaud Breeland of Clemson could go in the second round. Whoa.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
2nd round for Kyle Fuller, 3rd or 4th of Antone Exum.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Logan Thomas could still be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but he can't play early. Some in the NFL still think he's a 6th rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Third to fifth round for Michael Sam. Andrew Wilson Day 3. James Franklin UDFA. Day 3 for the Mizzou WRs depending on workouts.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Ealy would fit in New Orleans because he's versatile. But he thinks he'll be a late first round pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks there will be a lot of centers and guards in the second round for the Colts to get.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper has Morgan Moses as a late first or early second rounder as a right tackle. Thinks Jack Mewhort is a second rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Zack Martin would be a good pick for Miami and could be in play for Arizona. Cyrus Kouandjio in that range as well.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says Kelcy Quarles is gaining a lot of momentum and could be a mid second round pick and may rise higher.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
@ChrisBurke_SI That's the oddest part of this call.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said a lot of teams still have Clowney No. 1 on their boards.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Clowney, like Manziel, could go No. 1 or No. 3 to get pressure on Andrew Luck in the AFC South.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Jace Amaro goes late in the first round, maybe to New England with pick No. 29.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Calvin Pryor may end up being the top safety because he can play free or strong.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: "I think the next Steve Smith could be Brandin Cooks, who I have going to Carolina with pick No. 28."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Bruce Gaston is a fourth rounder but could rise with a good pro day. Thinks Ricardo Allen is a UDFA.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Stanley Jean-Baptiste is a mid-second rounder and will be the first Nebraska player draft. Now, Purdue questions!

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper doesn't think Lewan gets past Tennessee with pick No. 11.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Lewan could go No. 2 to St. Louis or to Buffalo at No. 9. In the big board, Kiper thinks he's a top 10 player.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Lewan has outstanding feet, balance and pass protection. Me: Uh...

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Lewan: He's a heck of a prospect, and I've thought that all along. It wasn't him, it was the interior of the line.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks that by the time the draft happens, Teddy Bridgewater will be underrated. Says Bortles has momentum and Manziel is NFL's No. 1

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said there's not a consensus in the NFL on Bridgewater. He has it Bridge/Bortles/Manziel but GMs and scouts have them mixed up.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
@bhavikjpatel I'm on a conference call.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says TIm Jernigan would be "a heck of a pick" for the Bears if he's there. "I don't think DL is something you can wait on."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Clowney being worried about injury in 2013: "That's all he worried about this year, it seems like."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on the Browns: They could go QB/WR or WR/QB depending how the ratings work out for them.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
"You see some similarities between Bridgewater and Donovan McNabb." Kiper says he's heard Cleveland has a high opinion of Bridgewater.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Manziel will go No. 1 or No. 3. He thinks the Browns go with Teddy Bridgewater.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
"For Cleveland, to see Manziel there would be a surprise to me. When you talk to people in the league, he's the consensus No. 1 QB."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says WR might be a position the Steelers wait on a little bit in the draft this year because of the depth and what they did last year.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the Steelers could land the second best corner with their first round pick, whether that's Gilbert or Dennard.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks just two or three first round cornerbacks. "A lot of 2nd and 3rd round coners."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the first round would be a nice opportunity for the Chiefs to draft a WR because of the quality of the position.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper mentions Benjamin, Beckham, Adams, Cooks, Landry as guys that would be "viable" for Kansas City.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: KC could go WR, safety, tight end. If you look at the WR pos, you could see 6-9 in the 1st round. Underclassmen need to test well.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: "Mack could jump into the mix at No. 3 easily (with a good combine)."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper starts by talking the importance of the Combine because it gives teams true measurables on underclassmen.
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:56 AM   #16
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:04 AM   #17
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Read my post again.

I said we need more impact than a DEFENSIVE END. I then asked which OLB.

Ford and Ealy likely gone before 23, IMO. I think Murphy is going to fall at the combine (as you suggested).

I agree with you that OLB is the most important position on defense. And I don't think there will be one there when we pick. I'm not reaching for a guy like Murphy when there might be 2 or 3 quality WRs or a possible stud pass-catching TE sitting there.
Read my post again. DE is one of the most important positions in the 3-4.

As for Ford and Ealy... we'll see. Kiper talks to as many NFL teams as anyone, and right now they're both low-firsts. That could very well change -- as Murphy could, too. When they do, I probably will as well.
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:16 AM   #18
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Read my post again. DE is one of the most important positions in the 3-4.

As for Ford and Ealy... we'll see. Kiper talks to as many NFL teams as anyone, and right now they're both low-firsts. That could very well change -- as Murphy could, too. When they do, I probably will as well.
DE in our defense is not a premium position. If it were, we wouldn't even be able to get by with Tyson Jackson, let alone go half a season allowing less than 17 points a game.

There's no ****ing way I'm drafting ANOTHER DE in the 1st round in hopes that they'll be able to generate 5 or 6 sacks a year TOPS.
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It's not about generating sacks. It's about getting push and pushing the QB from his spot. And, of course, shutting down the run, as TJax has done a good job of doing.
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It's not about generating sacks. It's about getting push and pushing the QB from his spot. And, of course, shutting down the run, as TJax has done a good job of doing.
That's not a position worth yet another 1st round pick.

Might as well take a guard if that's the case.
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Yes, "yet another." When we've spent 1st rounders at the 5-tech position exactly once since we made the switch, 5 years ago.

Once Tyson Jackson walks, we will have only 1 first round talent on our DL. That's now how Super Bowl defenses are typically built, Seahawks be damned. You don't go with "value" for your DL. You go with elite talent.
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Yes, "yet another." When we've spent 1st rounders at the 5-tech position exactly once since we made the switch, 5 years ago.

Once Tyson Jackson walks, we will have only 1 first round talent on our DL. That's now how Super Bowl defenses are typically built, Seahawks be damned. You don't go with "value" for your DL. You go with elite talent.
You're assuming Tyson Jackson is going to walk, first of all.

And second, that's not a position that requires a first round pick.

Third, what elite talent?

Stop bringing up the Seahawks. They're LOADED at every position, and they have playmakers at every level.

This team has precious few playmakers at ANY level. We need playmakers.
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You're assuming Tyson Jackson is going to walk, first of all.

And second, that's not a position that requires a first round pick.

Third, what elite talent?

Stop bringing up the Seahawks. They're LOADED at every position, and they have playmakers at every level.

This team has precious few playmakers at ANY level. We need playmakers.
If a player has potential to be a playmaker at DE in our d, it's worth the pick
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If a player has potential to be a playmaker at DE in our d, it's worth the pick
If a player IS a playmaker at WR or TE, he's more worth the pick.
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Hageman and Tuitt are great prospects. Lots of upside.

But once again, Chiefsplanet has turned them into "elite talent" before they've played a single ****ing down.
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If a player IS a playmaker at WR or TE, he's more worth the pick.
With Alex Smith at qb and the way Andy Reid's offense works, I don't think you have to have premium talent at this positions, but I definitely makes it better to have it.

I think a playmaker on the DL is more valuable than anything other than a playmaker at qb.
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With Alex Smith at qb and the way Andy Reid's offense works, I don't think you have to have premium talent at this positions, but I definitely makes it better to have it.

I think a playmaker on the DL is more valuable than anything other than a playmaker at qb.
A playmaker at TE improves this team more than any other single position other than OLB or FS.

I don't see real top shelf OLB/FS talent at #23 right now.
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Hageman and Tuitt are great prospects. Lots of upside.

But once again, Chiefsplanet has turned them into "elite talent" before they've played a single ****ing down.
The same could be said for any of the wr or te in the draft.

We aren't likely to get an "elite" talent at 23 anyway
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