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Old 02-09-2014, 04:47 PM  
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A ton of Kiper tidbits, some involving the Chiefs.

If you're a Kiper hater, PLEASE SKIP THIS THREAD.

Conversations about whether Kiper's an idiot bore the shit out of me.

Enjoy the draft nuggets. That is all.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Johnny Manziel is the NFL's consensus No. 1 QB http://sbn.to/1aznPXK

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Seattle: "Everybody doesn't have the array of talent that the Seahawks do. Everybody's going to copy that and I say good luck."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper doesn't think Sammy Watkins will slip past the fifth pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
I'll have to go back and listen, but now Kiper just said Breeland is a third or fourth rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Borland: I don't care how tall he is. He's got great instincts, love his approach. He's going to be a second round pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks all three top offensive tackles go in the top 11. He has Robinson No. 2 to St. Louis.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said the majority of teams have it Robinson, Lewan and Matthews.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Jake Matthews may be slipping a bit because some teams view him as a right tackle.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper mentioned 3rd round for Austin Seferian-Jenkins, which makes me sad.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the Ravens should look at Eric Ebron in the first round, if he's not there a WR.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Bashaud Breeland of Clemson could go in the second round. Whoa.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
2nd round for Kyle Fuller, 3rd or 4th of Antone Exum.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Logan Thomas could still be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but he can't play early. Some in the NFL still think he's a 6th rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Third to fifth round for Michael Sam. Andrew Wilson Day 3. James Franklin UDFA. Day 3 for the Mizzou WRs depending on workouts.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Ealy would fit in New Orleans because he's versatile. But he thinks he'll be a late first round pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks there will be a lot of centers and guards in the second round for the Colts to get.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper has Morgan Moses as a late first or early second rounder as a right tackle. Thinks Jack Mewhort is a second rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Zack Martin would be a good pick for Miami and could be in play for Arizona. Cyrus Kouandjio in that range as well.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says Kelcy Quarles is gaining a lot of momentum and could be a mid second round pick and may rise higher.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
@ChrisBurke_SI That's the oddest part of this call.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said a lot of teams still have Clowney No. 1 on their boards.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Clowney, like Manziel, could go No. 1 or No. 3 to get pressure on Andrew Luck in the AFC South.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Jace Amaro goes late in the first round, maybe to New England with pick No. 29.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Calvin Pryor may end up being the top safety because he can play free or strong.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: "I think the next Steve Smith could be Brandin Cooks, who I have going to Carolina with pick No. 28."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Bruce Gaston is a fourth rounder but could rise with a good pro day. Thinks Ricardo Allen is a UDFA.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Stanley Jean-Baptiste is a mid-second rounder and will be the first Nebraska player draft. Now, Purdue questions!

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper doesn't think Lewan gets past Tennessee with pick No. 11.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Lewan could go No. 2 to St. Louis or to Buffalo at No. 9. In the big board, Kiper thinks he's a top 10 player.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Lewan has outstanding feet, balance and pass protection. Me: Uh...

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Lewan: He's a heck of a prospect, and I've thought that all along. It wasn't him, it was the interior of the line.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks that by the time the draft happens, Teddy Bridgewater will be underrated. Says Bortles has momentum and Manziel is NFL's No. 1

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said there's not a consensus in the NFL on Bridgewater. He has it Bridge/Bortles/Manziel but GMs and scouts have them mixed up.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
@bhavikjpatel I'm on a conference call.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says TIm Jernigan would be "a heck of a pick" for the Bears if he's there. "I don't think DL is something you can wait on."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Clowney being worried about injury in 2013: "That's all he worried about this year, it seems like."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on the Browns: They could go QB/WR or WR/QB depending how the ratings work out for them.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
"You see some similarities between Bridgewater and Donovan McNabb." Kiper says he's heard Cleveland has a high opinion of Bridgewater.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Manziel will go No. 1 or No. 3. He thinks the Browns go with Teddy Bridgewater.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
"For Cleveland, to see Manziel there would be a surprise to me. When you talk to people in the league, he's the consensus No. 1 QB."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says WR might be a position the Steelers wait on a little bit in the draft this year because of the depth and what they did last year.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the Steelers could land the second best corner with their first round pick, whether that's Gilbert or Dennard.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks just two or three first round cornerbacks. "A lot of 2nd and 3rd round coners."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the first round would be a nice opportunity for the Chiefs to draft a WR because of the quality of the position.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper mentions Benjamin, Beckham, Adams, Cooks, Landry as guys that would be "viable" for Kansas City.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: KC could go WR, safety, tight end. If you look at the WR pos, you could see 6-9 in the 1st round. Underclassmen need to test well.


Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: "Mack could jump into the mix at No. 3 easily (with a good combine)."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper starts by talking the importance of the Combine because it gives teams true measurables on underclassmen.
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:56 AM   #31
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A playmaker at TE improves this team more than any other single position other than OLB or FS.

I don't see real top shelf OLB/FS talent at #23 right now.
So theoretically, Vernon Davis improves this team more than JJ Watt?

The DE spot in this d isn't devalued, we just don't have anyone there who's worth a shit rushing the passer.

We need pass rush from th DL
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:57 AM   #32
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The same could be said for any of the wr or te in the draft.

We aren't likely to get an "elite" talent at 23 anyway
Jace Amaro to me is a potential difference maker at TE and he's likely to be available in that range.

If we're sitting there with someone like Ebron available then that's a different story. At that point, you're drafting for upside and then we're back to looking at guys like Hageman and Tuitt.

I just don't understand locking onto those guys as a first resort. This team is too bereft of talent to do that.
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:58 AM   #33
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So theoretically, Vernon Davis improves this team more than JJ Watt?

The DE spot in this d isn't devalued, we just don't have anyone there who's worth a shit rushing the passer.

We need pass rush from th DL
Rashede Hageman is NOT JJ Watt. Enough of the hyperbole.
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Jace Amaro to me is a potential difference maker at TE and he's likely to be available in that range.

If we're sitting there with someone like Ebron available then that's a different story. At that point, you're drafting for upside and then we're back to looking at guys like Hageman and Tuitt.

I just don't understand locking onto those guys as a first resort. This team is too bereft of talent to do that.
I just don't think TE is in the table, with the Kelce pick last year. Like it or not (I don't) they'll wait and see on that pick
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So theoretically, Vernon Davis improves this team more than JJ Watt?

The DE spot in this d isn't devalued, we just don't have anyone there who's worth a shit rushing the passer.

We need pass rush from th DL
If you're going to claim JJ Watt then ask if Jimmy Graham improves this team more than JJ Watt? The answer is yes.
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If you're going to claim JJ Watt then ask if Jimmy Graham improves this team more than JJ Watt? The answer is yes.
Exactly.
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I just don't think TE is in the table, with the Kelce pick last year. Like it or not (I don't) they'll wait and see on that pick
Well, we all know what they're going to do, so this whole argument is moot.

They're not going to take a pass catcher or a pass rusher.
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Rashede Hageman is NOT JJ Watt. Enough of the hyperbole.
Like you said, Jj watt wasn't Jj watt coming out.

Even if like Direkshun says, he's Wilkerson, that's something we need on the DL. We need defensive lineman who can play all three downs. Hopefully Bailey could become that, but that's also why I wanted Sheldon Richardson last year.
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If you're going to claim JJ Watt then ask if Jimmy Graham improves this team more than JJ Watt? The answer is yes.
I just don't think an elite pass catcher is more important than an elite rusher, theoretically.

A playmaking pass rusher from the interior, IMO, is just a notch below qb.
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I think everybody here agrees that it would be ideal if Allen Bailey or Mike Catapano played lights out next year at DE, assuming we don't bring TJax back or bring another DE in.

But you must shut down the run, and you must move the QB if your defense is going to be successful. A DE push from the interior will get the QB to do that faster than the OLB off the edge. Owning the interior gives you everything you want for your defense. The Panthers went from a shit defense to a Top 5 defense overnight with the exact same passrushers when they brought in Star Lotulelei and Kawann Short at DT.

We've taken a significant step in that direction by bringing Poe in. But OLs have countered by doubling him. We need to punish them for that, and TJax wasn't the answer to that. Nor was Bailey/Catapano.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:10 AM   #41
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I'd put it this way:

QB


















OLB


NT

DE


CB
WR

OT



TE

But I'm a big defense guy.
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I agree

It's also why I think the fisher pick was atrocious
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I agree

It's also why I think the fisher pick was atrocious
Well keep in mind, they shift with every team.

The less elite your QB is, the importance of those players around him grows.

Before the draft, if I had to pick a non-QB to have gone to us, Fisher probably would have been in the top 3. (I would have picked Joeckel.)

I just can't believe we didn't spend that pick on a QB. I really can't.
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I agree

It's also why I think the fisher pick was atrocious
This team would be so ****ed if we didn't draft a LT last year.

We draft any other position, the right now we are forced to pay out the ass for a LT that is continuously hurt.
That money makes it hard as he'll for us to extend Alex Smith and leave money for Justin Houston. So basically you're forced to cut good players to get money and you can't spend anything at all in free agency.
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This team would be so ****ed if we didn't draft a LT last year.

We draft any other position, the right now we are forced to pay out the ass for a LT that is continuously hurt.
That money makes it hard as he'll for us to extend Alex Smith and leave money for Justin Houston. So basically you're forced to cut good players to get money and you can't spend anything at all in free agency.
We still don't know if we have a LT worth a shit. We could plug Stephenson in, sign a RT and probably be no worse off
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