Chiefs And so the "Matt Cassel to KC" Rumors Begin... - Page 4

FloridaMan88 · 02-02-2009, 09:59 AM

As if they hadn't started already...

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...&position=also

Matt Cassel draws interest

TAMPA - They might not have been one of the two Super Bowl participants last night, but the Patriots [team stats] still generated a lot of talk on Radio Row during the week.

With Matt Cassel making the rounds, there was plenty of speculation on how much interest he would draw should the Pats apply the franchise tag and then trade him.

The pundits’ top pick to land Cassel in that scenario is Kansas City. Obviously, the Scott Pioli factor weighs heavily in that choice, with the Pats former vice president of player personnel now calling the shots for the Chiefs.

“I’d really look at Pioli down there in Kansas City. Why wouldn’t he want him?” Sirius NFL radio analyst Jim Miller said. “He knows what the kid is capable of doing. So I think he’d be on their radar.”

Miller, like most analysts, doesn’t see the crop of quarterbacks in this year’s NFL Draft as particularly appealing. That boosts the draw for Cassel, especially if Pioli decides he’s not satisfied with the collection of QBs he inherited after taking over the job.

“I don’t think this is a strong quarterback draft. Everybody is saying Matthew Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of USC are going to go in the Top 10. I don’t believe that,” Miller said. “I don’t think those guys are ready. And I don’t think you’ll see the type of success guys like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco had. They just haven’t played enough. So I can’t see teams wanting them.

“But if Kansas (City) were to make that deal, that’s their Matt Ryan. That’s their Joe Flacco. Unlike a Sanchez, for instance, they know he’s playing at a starter’s level. So to them, I think it’d be worth it to do. They’d get their starting quarterback, they know what he’s capable of doing, and they’ve seen him win games at the NFL level.”

Other experts, meanwhile, aren’t sure Pioli would want to deal with his former boss right out of the gate.

Some other teams figuring to make a pitch for Cassel include the New York Jets, Detroit, Minnesota, San Francisco, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Chicago.

As for what Cassel would land in a trade, there were differing opinions. Miller, for one, thought he would cost a second-round draft choice.

The decision to trade or keep Cassel will ultimately depend on Tom Brady [stats]’s health. While reports have him on target to play in the season opener, he still has a few hurdles to clear before that point following reconstructive surgery on his left knee and a subsequent staph infection.

“I think a lot is going to depend on where Kevin O’Connell is in his development. If they feel they can move Matt to benefit their team, they’ll do it,” said Miller, a one-time Pats backup quarterback. “It’s rolling the dice on Tom and whether he’s healthy, and two, can they do it with Kevin O’Connell? The question they have to ask is if O’Connell is as capable of what they have in Matt Cassel?”

ChiefRon · 02-02-2009, 12:34 PM

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“But if Kansas (City) were to make that deal, that’s their Matt Ryan. That’s their Joe Flacco. Unlike a Sanchez, for instance, they know he’s playing at a starter’s level. So to them, I think it’d be worth it to do. They’d get their starting quarterback, they know what he’s capable of doing, and they’ve seen him win games at the NFL level.”

I agree with Jim Miller on this, but I actually hope it doesn't happen and we draft Sanchez or Stafford just so I can laugh at all the stupid posts on ChiefsPlanet.

**DaFace** · 02-02-2009, 12:52 PM

I must've missed something. I thought that Cassell was UFA this season. What's with all the talk of draft picks? I know they may franchise him, but doesn't that come with a requirement that teams signing him give up a first round pick or something like that?

**SAUTO** · 02-02-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

I must've missed something. I thought that Cassell was UFA this season. What's with all the talk of draft picks? I know they may franchise him, but doesn't that come with a requirement that teams signing him give up a first round pick or something like that?

franchise=2 1st rounders, but they can still trade him for whatever

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 02-02-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

I must've missed something. I thought that Cassell was UFA this season. What's with all the talk of draft picks? I know they may franchise him, but doesn't that come with a requirement that teams signing him give up a first round pick or something like that?

They franchise him and a team signs him they're obligated to 2 first round selections. I can't imagine Cassell saying yeah, I'll pass up $15 million for 1 year to get $30 million for 4. Which is about all he's worth at this point IMO.

As far as I'm concerned, the Pats ****ed themselves when they went this route.

ChiefRon · 02-02-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

I must've missed something. I thought that Cassell was UFA this season. What's with all the talk of draft picks? I know they may franchise him, but doesn't that come with a requirement that teams signing him give up a first round pick or something like that?

If they franchise him and another team signs him to an offer sheet, the Pats can decide whether to match the offer or not. If they decide to not match, they get the compensation from the other team, depending on the level of the tender offer.

Most likely, the team would negotiate compensation first to avoid having the pay the compensation related to the tender offer.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 02-02-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRon

If they franchise him and another team signs him to an offer sheet, the Pats can decide whether to match the offer or not. If they decide to not match, they get the compensation from the other team, depending on the level of the tender offer.

Most likely, the team would negotiate compensation first to avoid having the pay the compensation related to the tender offer.

I think you're thinking of restricted free agency. If a team signs a franchise player without working out a deal with his team, they are required to give up 2 first round draft picks.

ChiefRon · 02-02-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I think you're thinking of restricted free agency. If a team signs a franchise player without working out a deal with his team, they are required to give up 2 first round draft picks.

Yes, you are right, that's restricted FA.

But bottom line is the same: if a team was going to make a play for him, they would negotiate the compensation first to make sure it would make sense and it can be for less than 2 1st round picks.

nychief · 02-02-2009, 01:08 PM

I don't know about Cassel yet... I mean I think we have to bring in a Vet and a Rookie QB this offseason, but am not sold on Cassel. We bring in Cassel and he is the guy.

EyePod · 02-02-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRon

Yes, you are right, that's restricted FA.

But bottom line is the same: if a team was going to make a play for him, they would negotiate the compensation first to make sure it would make sense and it can be for less than 2 1st round picks.

Yeah, didn't we do this with JA?

Brock · 02-02-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

Yeah, didn't we do this with JA?

Yep

Mr. Laz · 02-02-2009, 01:17 PM

if you trade for cassel then you're stuck because he will demand a long term, starter money contract

better be sure

KCKY-Fan4life · 02-02-2009, 01:26 PM

I say we try and use our 2nd rounder for Cassel, its basically a low 1st round pick. THen we take Crabtree with our #3 pick. We are going to need to fill TOny G's void when he leaves in a few years. How awesome would it be to have 2 WR studs, like Bowe and Crabtree. It would be KC's best WR duo ever.

EyePod · 02-02-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

if you trade for cassel then you're stuck because he will demand a long term, starter money contract

better be sure

We aren't, and I don't think Pioli is either. *CROSSES FINGERS*

Sully · 02-02-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KCKY-Fan4life

I say we try and use our 2nd rounder for Cassel, its basically a low 1st round pick. THen we take Crabtree with our #3 pick. We are going to need to fill TOny G's void when he leaves in a few years. How awesome would it be to have 2 WR studs, like Bowe and Crabtree. It would be KC's best WR duo ever.

No.

Frankie · 02-02-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

why aren't you banned anyway?

Good question. Shanahan's son was wondering about the same thing.

02-02-2009, 09:59 AM
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