NFL Draft McShay/Kiper updated mocks

EyePod · 03-12-2009, 02:50 PM

1. Detroit Lions (Record: 0-16)

Kiper pick: Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia -- Stafford is worthy of being the No. 1 overall pick, thanks to his overall skill set.
McShay pick: Stafford -- It appears the No. 1 pick is Stafford's to lose. The gun-slinging quarterback can seal the deal if he overwhelms the Lions during upcoming individual workouts, film sessions and interviews.

2. St. Louis Rams (2-14)

Kiper pick: Jason Smith, OT, Baylor -- The OT spot is strong at the top with Smith, a former tight end who is supremely athletic and exactly what you want in a left tackle: someone you can count on to protect the blind side of your quarterback.
McShay pick: Smith -- Smith has emerged as the top offensive lineman in the 2009 class. He possesses the agility, power and work ethic to solidify the left tackle spot for years to come in St. Louis.

3. Kansas City Chiefs (2-14)

Kiper pick: Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest -- He's a complete OLB with great character and work ethic, which is why it was no surprise when he nailed his combine workout.
McShay pick: Curry -- The Chiefs choosing to beef up the defensive or offensive line isn't out of the question here, but Curry is the best defensive player in this year's draft and displays the versatility new GM Scott Pioli looks for in a draft pick.

4. Seattle Seahawks (4-12)

Kiper pick: Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia -- Monroe is just a shade below Jason Smith in my opinion but is a legit top-five pick.
McShay pick: B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College -- The Seahawks taking an offensive tackle is a strong possibility here, especially with their recent addition of free-agent DT Colin Cole. However, Raji is the only elite defensive tackle in this class, and the Seahawks, who finished 30th in total defense this past season, must think long and hard before passing on him.

5. Cleveland Browns (4-12)

Kiper pick: B.J. Raji -- Raji is the top defensive tackle in this draft. McShay pick: Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas -- Orakpo left the combine as the top hybrid DE/OLB in the 2009 class. His pass-rushing skills would be a welcome addition to a Cleveland defense that notched just 17 sacks in 2008.

6. Cincinnati Bengals (4-11-1)

Kiper pick: Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech -- The stress fracture in his left foot shouldn't affect his draft status. He's a big-time player who should have a Larry Fitzgerald-type career in the NFL.
McShay pick: Eugene Monroe -- Crabtree certainly is a possibility here, but the Bengals need to solidify their offensive line, and Monroe clearly is the next-best option at offensive tackle. He's not a classic mauler by any means, but he is a fluid athlete for his size and would do an excellent job of protecting QB Carson Palmer.

7. Oakland Raiders (5-11)

Kiper pick: Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri -- Maclin will have to adjust to an NFL offense, but I really like his big-play capability and the fact that he's much more explosive with the pads on than his 4.46-second clocking in the 40-yard dash at the combine would lead you to believe.
McShay pick: Maclin -- Speed will rule in the Oakland draft room as long as owner Al Davis is calling the shots.

12. Denver Broncos (8-8)

Kiper pick: Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU -- Jackson would be ideal in a 3-4, thanks to his ability to shift inside in passing situations.
McShay pick: Jackson -- The Broncos need to bulk up along the defensive front in order to make a smooth transition to the 3-4 scheme. They could use this pick on a linebacker, but Jackson is the only elite five-technique in this draft class and would fit well in Denver.

16. San Diego Chargers (8-8)

Kiper pick: Malcolm Jenkins -- Jenkins has all the qualities you look for, with the exception of top-flight recovery speed, which is an obvious concern. Even so, he's too good an overall performer to pass up in the middle of the first round.
McShay pick: Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC -- Maualuga's draft stock could hinge on the severity of the hamstring injury he suffered at the combine and how it affects his individual workouts. Regardless, he's a ferocious hitter with enormous potential. Maualuga's size and explosiveness would make him a great fit at inside linebacker in the Chargers' 3-4 defense.

Todd McShay's Top 20 Still Available

Player	Position	School
1. Louis Delmas	CB	Western Michigan
2. Donald Brown	RB	Connecticut
3. Darius Butler	CB	Connecticut
4. Connor Barwin	DE	Cincinnati
5. LeSean McCoy	RB	Pittsburgh
6. Kenny Britt	WR	Rutgers
7. Ron Brace	DT	Boston College
8. Alex Mack	C	California
9. Shawn Nelson	TE	Southern Miss
10. Rashad Johnson	S	Alabama
11. D.J. Moore	CB	Vanderbilt
12. Lawrence Sidbury	DE	Richmond
13. Larry English	DE	Northern Illinois
14. Jamon Meredith	OT	South Carolina
15. Max Unger	C	Oregon
16. Jared Cook	TE	South Carolina
17. Michael Johnson	DE	Georgia Tech
18. Paul Kruger	DE	Utah
19. Cornelius Ingram	TE	Florida
20. Steven Beatty	OT	Connecticut

Mel Kiper's Top Players Still Available

Player	Position	School
Eben Britton	OT	Arizona
Phil Loadholt	OT	Oklahoma
Alex Mack	C	California
Connor Barwin	DE	Cincinnati
James Laurinaitis	LB	Ohio State
Larry English	DE	Northern Illinois
Louis Delmas	S	Western Michigan

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...ory?id=3972427

I've only included the important picks in the top and then the other AFC west picks, but I've also included the leftovers. I would love it if we could pick up Alex Mack in the 2nd.... we really need a good center and he's the real deal... What do you guys think about Larry English?

KCrockaholic · 03-12-2009, 03:02 PM

all you Curry haters better get ready to see him wearing red and gold #59 next year.

EyePod · 03-12-2009, 03:04 PM

I don't think (or at least they shouldn't) actually hate him. It's just that normally you don't pick a LB at 3. I mean, AJ Hawk was picked at 5 (I think), and he's turned out really solid, and probably will for years. I guess you just want a huge game changer at 3, not a really solid player...

keg in kc · 03-12-2009, 03:07 PM

I think Curry's going 3rd in so many mocks because nobody has any earthly idea who we're actually picking.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-12-2009, 03:07 PM

In this draft, I don't see a lot of gamechangers at all.

I think there are tons of solid players.

I think Curry leads the list of solid players.

Pants · 03-12-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

I don't think (or at least they shouldn't) actually hate him. It's just that normally you don't pick a LB at 3. I mean, AJ Hawk was picked at 5 (I think), and he's turned out really solid, and probably will for years. I guess you just want a huge game changer at 3, not a really solid player...

Welp, sometimes they just aren't there at 3... so you go with what's best available. That's life.

RustShack · 03-12-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

all you Curry haters better get ready to see him wearing red and gold #59 next year.

Is that the Lions new colors?

Reerun_KC · 03-12-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

all you Curry haters better get ready to see him wearing red and gold #59 next year.

No need to hate, but he better be a game changer and get to the QB alot or he is a bust..

He needs to produce 7-10 sacks his rookie year...

RustShack · 03-12-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

No need to hate, but he better be a game changer and get to the QB alot or he is a bust..

He needs to produce 7-10 sacks his rookie year...

I don't know if he can almost match his college total in one year against much harder competition.

Reerun_KC · 03-12-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

I don't know if he can almost match his college total in one year against much harder competition.

Well if your going to "reach" for a player, than you can "reach" on the expectations...

He has to be a game changer type OLB if you draft him that high...

Mecca · 03-12-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

I don't think (or at least they shouldn't) actually hate him. It's just that normally you don't pick a LB at 3. I mean, AJ Hawk was picked at 5 (I think), and he's turned out really solid, and probably will for years. I guess you just want a huge game changer at 3, not a really solid player...

And AJ Hawk has proven so far that he has not remotely been worth that pick.

talastan · 03-12-2009, 03:14 PM

This is a hell of a lot better than Pat Kirwan's latest mock on NFL.com...

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09...s&confirm=true

Chiefs picking Orakpo..

htismaqe · 03-12-2009, 03:14 PM

It's been said already, but I don't HATE Curry.

I hate the idea of taking an ILB at #3, but given that the top of this draft pretty much sucks, I'm not sure we're going to have a choice.

RustShack · 03-12-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by talastan

This is a hell of a lot better than Pat Kirwan's latest mock on NFL.com...

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09...s&confirm=true

Chiefs picking Orakpo..

At least Orakpo is a 3-4 OLB making him more worth the pick.

talastan · 03-12-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

At least Orakpo is a 3-4 OLB making him more worth the pick.

I just have this funny feeling like others that he is going to be the Gholston of this draft IMO.

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EyePod Forgetting 2013 season end. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Around Casino cash: $9995735	I don't think (or at least they shouldn't) actually hate him. It's just that normally you don't pick a LB at 3. I mean, AJ Hawk was picked at 5 (I think), and he's turned out really solid, and probably will for years. I guess you just want a huge game changer at 3, not a really solid player... __________________ I did not believe in Mahomes until week 1. I've been woke ever since. I'm on board this freight train.
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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	It's been said already, but I don't HATE Curry. I hate the idea of taking an ILB at #3, but given that the top of this draft pretty much sucks, I'm not sure we're going to have a choice.
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