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duncan_idaho · 08-15-2013, 08:13 AM

New thread, this time with more burst.

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

C3HIEF3S · 11-21-2013, 03:06 PM

Royals To Sign Jason Vargas http://t.co/AkiNuxLF81 #mlb
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) November 21, 2013

tk13 · 11-21-2013, 03:07 PM

Yeah, now Brian Kenny has retracted his tweet. Said DM couldn't comment...just that they were waiting on a physical. So that could be it.
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Nightfyre · 11-21-2013, 03:07 PM

Wut.

C3HIEF3S · 11-21-2013, 03:08 PM

4 year deal

**alnorth** · 11-21-2013, 03:08 PM

This has the potential to either be OK, or terrible. It depends on the years and the money.

KC_Connection · 11-21-2013, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S

4 year deal

wat

Mr_Tomahawk · 11-21-2013, 03:09 PM

TJ Carpenter‏@TJCarpenterWHB54s
Jason Vargas is NOT a major announcement... but Brian Kenny tweeted it's a trade. Those are drastically different.

Jerm · 11-21-2013, 03:10 PM

What the **** is major about announcing signing a #4 starter to probably a terrible deal?

JFC....

**alnorth** · 11-21-2013, 03:10 PM

2 signings and a trade, in one day, in November, would be hyper-active and early even by DM's standards.

mr. tegu · 11-21-2013, 03:11 PM

Is that the big announcement?

C3HIEF3S · 11-21-2013, 03:11 PM

4 years 32 mil

Source: #Royals sign free-agent LHP Jason Vargas to four-year, $32M contract.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) November 21, 2013

**RockChalk** · 11-21-2013, 03:12 PM

$32 mil over 4 years for Vargas. JFC

C3HIEF3S · 11-21-2013, 03:13 PM

God damn it

**alnorth** · 11-21-2013, 03:13 PM

That is RIGHT on the border between "OK" and "terrible" Not sure how I feel yet.

$8MM AAV is a little high, but not awful. Maybe he is worth that in today's market though.

Four years is 1 or 2 years too long, though.

**SuperChief** · 11-21-2013, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

That is RIGHT on the border between "OK" and "terrible" Not sure how I feel yet.

$8MM AAV is a little high, but not awful. Maybe he is worth that in today's market though.

Four years is 1 or 2 years too long, though.

Exactly my thoughts. While not seemingly a huge deal to most, this and the Walters signing is DM huge, by comparison. Gross.

08-15-2013, 08:13 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1620308	(New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository New thread, this time with more burst. Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?
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11-21-2013, 03:06 PM	#2371
C3HIEF3S Let's Get Weird Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Austin Casino cash: $9990098	Royals To Sign Jason Vargas http://t.co/AkiNuxLF81 #mlb — MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) November 21, 2013
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11-21-2013, 03:07 PM	#2372
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1852500	Yeah, now Brian Kenny has retracted his tweet. Said DM couldn't comment...just that they were waiting on a physical. So that could be it. Posted via Mobile Device
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11-21-2013, 03:07 PM	#2373
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11-21-2013, 03:08 PM	#2374
C3HIEF3S Let's Get Weird Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Austin Casino cash: $9990098	4 year deal
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11-21-2013, 03:08 PM	#2375
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57166239	This has the potential to either be OK, or terrible. It depends on the years and the money. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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Mr_Tomahawk Prestige Worldwide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spring Hill, KS Casino cash: $2920526	TJ Carpenter‏@TJCarpenterWHB54s Jason Vargas is NOT a major announcement... but Brian Kenny tweeted it's a trade. Those are drastically different. __________________ Adopt-A-Chief: John Dorsey
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11-21-2013, 03:10 PM	#2379
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57166239	2 signings and a trade, in one day, in November, would be hyper-active and early even by DM's standards. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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11-21-2013, 03:11 PM	#2380
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11-21-2013, 03:11 PM	#2381
C3HIEF3S Let's Get Weird Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Austin Casino cash: $9990098	4 years 32 mil Source: #Royals sign free-agent LHP Jason Vargas to four-year, $32M contract. — Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) November 21, 2013
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11-21-2013, 03:13 PM	#2383
C3HIEF3S Let's Get Weird Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Austin Casino cash: $9990098	God damn it
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11-21-2013, 03:13 PM	#2384
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57166239	That is RIGHT on the border between "OK" and "terrible" Not sure how I feel yet. $8MM AAV is a little high, but not awful. Maybe he is worth that in today's market though. Four years is 1 or 2 years too long, though. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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