Chiefs Today 12/27 Mel Kiper says....... - Page 12

KCFaninSEA · 12-27-2012, 12:03 PM

Mel says Mike Glennon will be the first QB taken in the 2013 draft and he could be picked in the top 10. He says alot of things could and will change as the draft approaches but as of right now he thinks the Chiefs should trade out of the top spot if they can and if they can't they should take Luke Joeckel with the first pick. He also say the Jaguars should trade down also but if they can't they should take a DE with their first pick.

DJ's left nut · 12-27-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

I don't think I look stupid at all.

Tell me Russel Wilson wasn't judged on his size and measurables vs his leadership and desire to be great.

Kiper likes gooseneck because he is 2930 feet tall.

His leadership and 'desire to be great' have not one damn thing to do with his success.

Matt Cassel would love to be great and it just doesn't matter. Tim Tebow is an exceptional leader and would probably be one of those guys that cuts off a digit if it made him a better player. Doesn't matter - still sucks.

What makes Wilson this good is his talent and decisionmaking. He was judged on his size rather than his talent, that is true. His downfield arm and especially his intermediate accuracy was questioned because he wasn't a big passer.

Your descriptions are just worthless flowery prose designed to cover national pundits that couldn't bring themselves to admit that they just didn't look at the tape closely enough.

All of this was available to see if you looked for it. Guys like Kiper (and myself) just hate to admit it.

Molitoth · 12-27-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

His leadership and 'desire to be great' have not one damn thing to do with his success.

Matt Cassel would love to be great and it just doesn't matter. Tim Tebow is an exceptional leader and would probably be one of those guys that cuts off a digit if it made him a better player. Doesn't matter - still sucks.

What makes Wilson this good is his talent and decisionmaking. He was judged on his size rather than his talent, that is true. His downfield arm and especially his intermediate accuracy was questioned because he wasn't a big passer.

Your descriptions are just worthless flowery prose designed to cover national pundits that couldn't bring themselves to admit that they just didn't look at the tape closely enough.

All of this was available to see if you looked for it. Guys like Kiper (and myself) just hate to admit it.

I understand your point, but I think you complete whiffed on mine.
How can you argue with me that the media scouts put way too much emphasis on measurables (size, weight, 40times, etc) when doing their rankings/mocks?

After watching Glennon vs Geno film, I cannot understand WTF Kiper is thinking except that Glennon is a giraffe.

Hootie · 12-27-2012, 04:56 PM

casual fans crack me up

I had someone on Christmas tell me they thought Tebow would end up with KC because we really needed a QB

Tebow is done. The Chiefs and Patriots exposed him as the fraud that he is...stack the box with 8 and NEVER play prevent and he can't play the position. This is why he stays on the bench in NY. He is done. He's a failed experiment with zero chance to ever be a successful or even an unsuccessful NFL QB. He'll never get another shot to be a starter.

He's like a less elusive Colin Kaepernick who can't throw the football. I'm pretty sure if Kaepernick played at Florida instead of Tebow he would have been a top 5 pick and won 2 Heisman's and 3 National Titles.

Tebow is the biggest fraud player of my lifetime...college and pros. The fame he received is 100% due to religion and playing the V card while splicing it with his "ultimate team player" nonsense.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-27-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefss

Houston, Teo, DJ, Hali

That will be a great linebacking corp next year

It would, but it's not winning us a SB.

Molitoth · 12-27-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks

casual fans crack me up

I had someone on Christmas tell me they thought Tebow would end up with KC because we really needed a QB

Tebow is done. The Chiefs and Patriots exposed him as the fraud that he is...stack the box with 8 and NEVER play prevent and he can't play the position. This is why he stays on the bench in NY. He is done. He's a failed experiment with zero chance to ever be a successful or even an unsuccessful NFL QB. He'll never get another shot to be a starter.

He's like a less elusive Colin Kaepernick who can't throw the football. I'm pretty sure if Kaepernick played at Florida instead of Tebow he would have been a top 5 pick and won 2 Heisman's and 3 National Titles.

Tebow is the biggest fraud player of my lifetime...college and pros. The fame he received is 100% due to religion and playing the V card while splicing it with his "ultimate team player" nonsense.

Sorry, but he will get a chance in Jacksonville.

Hootie · 12-27-2012, 04:59 PM

I'd take one Peyton Manning over a LB core that looked like LT, Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher and Derrick Thomas.

Hootie · 12-27-2012, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Sorry, but he will get a chance in Jacksonville.

we will see

the only way that happens is if the owner absolutely insists

I think, in less than 3 years, unless he goes and takes his circus to Canada we're going to forget ALL ABOUT Tim Tebow

and I eagerly await

biggest fraud famous athlete ever

had no business even being drafted

Infidel Goat · 12-27-2012, 05:02 PM

Come on. What's not to like? He's completed 57.7% of his passes--primarily against ACC competition--this year. Trust Kiper; Glennon cannot fail in the NFL.

Seriously, though, as one of the few ACC homers on the board, I'd be pissed off if we pick him.

FlaChief58 · 12-27-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks

casual fans crack me up

I had someone on Christmas tell me they thought Tebow would end up with KC because we really needed a QB

Tebow is done. The Chiefs and Patriots exposed him as the fraud that he is...stack the box with 8 and NEVER play prevent and he can't play the position. This is why he stays on the bench in NY. He is done. He's a failed experiment with zero chance to ever be a successful or even an unsuccessful NFL QB. He'll never get another shot to be a starter.

He's like a less elusive Colin Kaepernick who can't throw the football. I'm pretty sure if Kaepernick played at Florida instead of Tebow he would have been a top 5 pick and won 2 Heisman's and 3 National Titles.

Tebow is the biggest fraud player of my lifetime...college and pros. The fame he received is 100% due to religion and playing the V card while splicing it with his "ultimate team player" nonsense.

Unless the Jags get him. They'll start him in 2013, then he'll be done after they go 1-15

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-27-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Sorry, but he will get a chance in Jacksonville.

Then we can point and laugh at Setsuna.

Hootie · 12-27-2012, 05:05 PM

Tebow isn't going to get a shot because teammates don't respect his play...not one bit. He isn't good. He won't develop any talent around him. He's a gadget and he's not really all that great at the gadget he provides.

The dude has one chance in the NFL...and that is to change positions and hope he can learn on the fly. LB, FB, H-Back...maybe. QB? No. Will never work.

**Easy 6** · 12-27-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Tasty Cheeks

Tebow is the biggest fraud player of my lifetime...college and pros. The fame he received is 100% due to religion and playing the V card while splicing it with his "ultimate team player" nonsense.

I've always had a lot of respect for your football takes, but this is horseshit.

In the sense of "is he a QB" you're absolutely correct... but the guy IS football player and IS a player who is respected in the lockerroom (outside of dumbass NY) - he absolutely IS a real player, he's just at the wrong position.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, he'd make a HELLUVA tight end, h-back, wildcard type player for the pats... a coach who believes in him and is imaginative enough to find spots for him would get an EXCELLENT ball player in return.

Thig Lyfe · 12-27-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

No it won't.

It's a risk worth taking. And if he fails, you dust yourself off and take the best one where you pick 2-3 years down the road.

The crow-eating wouldn't be about taking the risk. I agree he's the only choice that makes any sense or gives any indication that this team is serious. It would be about Geno himself. If he flames out, there's gonna be a lot of people (myself included) who will look back at some posts hailing him as an incredible talent and cringe a little bit.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-27-2012, 05:09 PM

If Tebow wants to have a career playing at this level, he needs to give up the dream of QB.

whoman69 · 12-27-2012, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

His leadership and 'desire to be great' have not one damn thing to do with his success.

Matt Cassel would love to be great and it just doesn't matter. Tim Tebow is an exceptional leader and would probably be one of those guys that cuts off a digit if it made him a better player. Doesn't matter - still sucks.

What makes Wilson this good is his talent and decisionmaking. He was judged on his size rather than his talent, that is true. His downfield arm and especially his intermediate accuracy was questioned because he wasn't a big passer.

Your descriptions are just worthless flowery prose designed to cover national pundits that couldn't bring themselves to admit that they just didn't look at the tape closely enough.

All of this was available to see if you looked for it. Guys like Kiper (and myself) just hate to admit it.

Jay Cutler has all those physical things you talk about. He doesn't have that leadership or desire to be great. Where has it gotten him?

12-27-2012, 12:03 PM
KCFaninSEA Starter Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Seattle, WA Casino cash: $10005813	Today 12/27 Mel Kiper says....... Mel says Mike Glennon will be the first QB taken in the 2013 draft and he could be picked in the top 10. He says alot of things could and will change as the draft approaches but as of right now he thinks the Chiefs should trade out of the top spot if they can and if they can't they should take Luke Joeckel with the first pick. He also say the Jaguars should trade down also but if they can't they should take a DE with their first pick.
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12-27-2012, 04:56 PM	#168
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	casual fans crack me up I had someone on Christmas tell me they thought Tebow would end up with KC because we really needed a QB Tebow is done. The Chiefs and Patriots exposed him as the fraud that he is...stack the box with 8 and NEVER play prevent and he can't play the position. This is why he stays on the bench in NY. He is done. He's a failed experiment with zero chance to ever be a successful or even an unsuccessful NFL QB. He'll never get another shot to be a starter. He's like a less elusive Colin Kaepernick who can't throw the football. I'm pretty sure if Kaepernick played at Florida instead of Tebow he would have been a top 5 pick and won 2 Heisman's and 3 National Titles. Tebow is the biggest fraud player of my lifetime...college and pros. The fame he received is 100% due to religion and playing the V card while splicing it with his "ultimate team player" nonsense.
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12-27-2012, 04:59 PM	#171
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I'd take one Peyton Manning over a LB core that looked like LT, Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher and Derrick Thomas.
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12-27-2012, 05:02 PM	#173
Infidel Goat Beer Sherpa Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: shackled in a cellar Casino cash: $4012493	Come on. What's not to like? He's completed 57.7% of his passes--primarily against ACC competition--this year. Trust Kiper; Glennon cannot fail in the NFL. Seriously, though, as one of the few ACC homers on the board, I'd be pissed off if we pick him.
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12-27-2012, 05:05 PM	#176
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Tebow isn't going to get a shot because teammates don't respect his play...not one bit. He isn't good. He won't develop any talent around him. He's a gadget and he's not really all that great at the gadget he provides. The dude has one chance in the NFL...and that is to change positions and hope he can learn on the fly. LB, FB, H-Back...maybe. QB? No. Will never work.
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12-27-2012, 05:09 PM	#179
BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	If Tebow wants to have a career playing at this level, he needs to give up the dream of QB.
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