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Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

**007** · 03-12-2010, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by noa

I liked the last episode a lot. I definitely liked the point that the island is what turned Ben bad.

Of all the things to nitpick with this show, I know this is really minor (considering people are traveling in time and all), but a student just showing up at a teacher's house unannounced to ask why the teacher wasn't at an after-school event is pretty absurd, even for an overachiever like Alex.

I was happy to see that the douchey professor from Real Genius is still able to nail these douche roles in school settings -- this time as the principal.

That principal reminded me of the report douche in Die Hard. It wasn't him. According to IMDB that guy was Richard Thorneburg and Die Hard 1 and 2 are the ONLY jobs to his name. That kind of surprised me really.

**Dartgod** · 03-12-2010, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

That principal reminded me of the report douche in Die Hard. It wasn't him. According to IMDB that guy was Richard Thorneburg and Die Hard 1 and 2 are the ONLY jobs to his name. That kind of surprised me really.

Really? I thought it was the reporter from Die Hard too.

I just looked and Richard Thornburg was the characters name in Die Hard. The actor is William Atherton. I would have bet money that was him in the last episode.

rad · 03-12-2010, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KingPriest2

I havent yet

Their are two sets of "names and numbers" The lighthouse and the cave One is for Jacob the other the cave is for MIB MIB told Sawyer yhat is was Jacobs but I think its MIBs You agree?

The reason why I dont think Ben is a canidate nor touched is he overthrew Widmore He wasnt chosen He got cancer which surprised people

I think that Jacks last name I think Widmore knows alot more then Ben about the island I also believe Widmore is working for MIB and Hawking is for Jacob.

Remember when Bram told Miles that Widmore was on the wrong team Also I think that Locke was used as a pawn by Widmore to find the island

The smoke monster was Christians form I believe I also believe that when Locke went into the cabin and met Christian as well as seeing Claire It was MIBs plan to move the island so Widmore could find it

I think that Jacks last name is very important as well Shepard I think that Locke is either related to Widmore or Jack

These are just theories There is so much more to this as well

I don't understand much of this.

Mile High Mania · 03-12-2010, 07:23 AM

It was the same damn guy...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0040472/

Look at the photos.

patteeu · 03-12-2010, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by noa

I liked the last episode a lot. I definitely liked the point that the island is what turned Ben bad.

Of all the things to nitpick with this show, I know this is really minor (considering people are traveling in time and all), but a student just showing up at a teacher's house unannounced to ask why the teacher wasn't at an after-school event is pretty absurd, even for an overachiever like Alex.

I was happy to see that the douchey professor from Real Genius is still able to nail these douche roles in school settings -- this time as the principal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru

That principal reminded me of the report douche in Die Hard. It wasn't him. According to IMDB that guy was Richard Thorneburg and Die Hard 1 and 2 are the ONLY jobs to his name. That kind of surprised me really.

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

Really? I thought it was the reporter from Die Hard too.

I just looked and Richard Thornburg was the characters name in Die Hard. The actor is William Atherton. I would have bet money that was him in the last episode.

William Atherton played all three parts. The guy from Real Genius, the guy from Die Hard, and the guy from Lost. I don't know why IMDB doesn't have him credited for the Lost character.

**Dartgod** · 03-12-2010, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

William Atherton played all three parts. The guy from Real Genius, the guy from Die Hard, and the guy from Lost. I don't know why IMDB doesn't have him credited for the Lost character.

He's credited on Lostpedia. Makes me feel better.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Don_Reynolds

**Rausch** · 03-12-2010, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KingPriest2

I havent yet

Their are two sets of "names and numbers" The lighthouse and the cave One is for Jacob the other the cave is for MIB MIB told Sawyer yhat is was Jacobs but I think its MIBs You agree?

The reason why I dont think Ben is a canidate nor touched is he overthrew Widmore He wasnt chosen He got cancer which surprised people

I think that Jacks last name I think Widmore knows alot more then Ben about the island I also believe Widmore is working for MIB and Hawking is for Jacob.

Remember when Bram told Miles that Widmore was on the wrong team Also I think that Locke was used as a pawn by Widmore to find the island

Red Brooklyn · 03-12-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KingPriest2

Ben had cancer on the island He was questioned about that How would he be a canidate?

His name is seen either on the cave wall, the lighthouse, or both. Can't remember which. The name is crossed off. So Ben is no longer a candidate. It'll be interesting to see at what point Ben's name was crossed off. But it is after Ben falls out of favor w/ Jacob and/or the island that he gets cancer.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't think Ben had ever seen Jacob, either. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't "touched" by him.

Has it been confirmed that his name was on the Wheel of Candidates? I haven't had a chance to go back and look today.

His name is at least on the cave or in the lighthouse. I can't recall if it's both or jus one. But it's definately seen.

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Originally Posted by aarowheadnation

Brock · 03-12-2010, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KingPriest2

I havent yet

Their are two sets of "names and numbers" The lighthouse and the cave One is for Jacob the other the cave is for MIB MIB told Sawyer yhat is was Jacobs but I think its MIBs You agree?

The reason why I dont think Ben is a canidate nor touched is he overthrew Widmore He wasnt chosen He got cancer which surprised people

I think that Jacks last name I think Widmore knows alot more then Ben about the island I also believe Widmore is working for MIB and Hawking is for Jacob.

Remember when Bram told Miles that Widmore was on the wrong team Also I think that Locke was used as a pawn by Widmore to find the island

The smoke monster was Christians form I believe I also believe that when Locke went into the cabin and met Christian as well as seeing Claire It was MIBs plan to move the island so Widmore could find it

I think that Jacks last name is very important as well Shepard I think that Locke is either related to Widmore or Jack

These are just theories There is so much more to this as well

English, do you speak it?

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-12-2010, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noa

I liked the last episode a lot. I definitely liked the point that the island is what turned Ben bad.

Of all the things to nitpick with this show, I know this is really minor (considering people are traveling in time and all), but a student just showing up at a teacher's house unannounced to ask why the teacher wasn't at an after-school event is pretty absurd, even for an overachiever like Alex.

I was happy to see that the douchey professor from Real Genius is still able to nail these douche roles in school settings -- this time as the principal.

As I see it, it wasn't the Island specifically that turned Ben "evil", it was the procedure that was performed after he was shot.

I presume that dunking him in the Temple water caused him to turn, just as it did Sayid.

tymania · 03-12-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think you missed the point: The Island is what changes Ben from a good person to a bad person. Without that influence, he's a good man that does the right thing.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

As I see it, it wasn't the Island specifically that turned Ben "evil", it was the procedure that was performed after he was shot.

I presume that dunking him in the Temple water caused him to turn, just as it did Sayid.

Changed your mind about the island making Ben a bad person?
Im not trying to be a dick.. and i see what you are saying about the Temple water changing him.. that makes much more sense than just the island changing him to bad

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-12-2010, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by tymania

Changed your mind about the island making Ben a bad person?
Im not trying to be a dick.. and i see what you are saying about the Temple water changing him.. that makes much more sense than just the island changing him to bad

Well technically, it IS the Island that changes him, I was just more specific in the follow up post.

**Rausch** · 03-12-2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

As I see it, it wasn't the Island specifically that turned Ben "evil", it was the procedure that was performed after he was shot.

I presume that dunking him in the Temple water caused him to turn, just as it did Sayid.

Yup.

And it's funny how all of the losties are "better" people on the alt storyline.

Without the island they all manage (so far) to find "purpose."

For the current losties they only find purpose after loss (Locke, Ben, Jack, Sawyer, Fatty, Jin) or not at all (again Sawyer, Sayid, Claire, Kate, the pilot, Sun, etc.)

The island does not seem to be a place as much as a catalyst...

Red Brooklyn · 03-12-2010, 11:36 AM

I was thinking the pool is what healed a person. And because the water was dirty, the pool had lost it's power. Sayid wasn't healed. He died. And the darkness claimed him and brought him back to life.

With Ben, I imagined that the water in the pool was clear. It worked. He was healed, and therefore not claimed. The choices he made were all his own and independent of the healing pool. It was his father's neglect, his guilt about his mother, and his need to belong that lead him to become the power hungry manipulator we've seen. The healing pool took away his innocence only by revealing the power of the island to him at a very young age; before he was ready to understand or handle it.

I think the idea that it is the pool itself - independent of the clarity of the water - that "claims" someone is a really interesting idea. And I hadn't looked at it that way before.

tymania · 03-12-2010, 11:40 AM

Does it bother anyone else that every other episode seems to be about one group of people? Example. One episode is about FLOCKE and the people he is recruiting then the next episode is about everyone else that is not involved with FLOCKE.
It doesn’t bother me to the point that I don’t like it, but I wish they would touch base with both groups in every episode.

10-06-2004, 04:29 PM
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03-12-2010, 11:36 AM	#4694
Red Brooklyn Veteran Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY Casino cash: $8151398	I was thinking the pool is what healed a person. And because the water was dirty, the pool had lost it's power. Sayid wasn't healed. He died. And the darkness claimed him and brought him back to life. With Ben, I imagined that the water in the pool was clear. It worked. He was healed, and therefore not claimed. The choices he made were all his own and independent of the healing pool. It was his father's neglect, his guilt about his mother, and his need to belong that lead him to become the power hungry manipulator we've seen. The healing pool took away his innocence only by revealing the power of the island to him at a very young age; before he was ready to understand or handle it. I think the idea that it is the pool itself - independent of the clarity of the water - that "claims" someone is a really interesting idea. And I hadn't looked at it that way before.
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03-12-2010, 11:40 AM	#4695
tymania Love it or Leave it USA#1 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Council Bluffs, Iowa Casino cash: $10004900	Does it bother anyone else that every other episode seems to be about one group of people? Example. One episode is about FLOCKE and the people he is recruiting then the next episode is about everyone else that is not involved with FLOCKE. It doesn’t bother me to the point that I don’t like it, but I wish they would touch base with both groups in every episode.
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