If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Better? This team has been "better" many times. Some of us want the team to reach for "best" instead of settling for "better." Get it?

This team would have been better with JC taking direct snaps. This team would have been better with Bowe calling the plays. Better? Are you ****ing kidding me?

We have seen your act many times with condescending fans from other teams coming in here and telling us how lucky we are to have their rejects. Some of us are sick of it.

I wonder if there are "TrueFans" over on the Vikings board telling them Matt Cassell got a raw deal in KC and will upgrade their QB situation?

Clay, make it so. We need some fresh entertainment.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

bullshit. you have told us how albert is overrated, thats for sure.

go **** yourself pussy

I never said that he was overrated. I said that CHIEFS FANS WERE OVERVALUING his importance. I proved to be right on that.

Originally Posted by Rausch

I'm not making the connection...

Matt Flynn, came from the same exact system that Andy Reid was in. As did Kevin Kolb, as did Carson Palmer. All would of come cheaper than Alex Smith. THey still chose to over pay for alex smith.

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

look at the QB situation KC has a brittle player at the position as the starter Alex Smith has medical red flags such as a concussion history, bad knees, and recurrent throwing shoulder injuries which lead to surgery on it. Unless Daniel can carry the load when Smith goes down, 6-10 is very optimistic.

No shoulder issues since 2007. What ankle injuries? He had one concussion, and could of played in the following game. There are no medical red flags with alex smith.

Originally Posted by HemiEd

It's the life of a Chiefs fan.

Be happy with a re-tread proven failure, or hope like hell that they "catch lightning in a jug" with a 5th round to UFA pick up. **sigh**

I am all for the lightning in the jug, as the rest of this story has already been written several times.

Thats because you are simple. The 49ers built a POWER house with a coaching change, and the same inept piece of shit qb you hate...

Originally Posted by ceebz

Understood. However, Bray is Jeff George incarnate. Cannon for an arm, cat food for brains. Hoping that he'll all of a sudden "get it" as a pro, is just setting yourself up for more heartbreak.

He had absolutely AWFUL coaching in college. If he takes to the mentoring and coaching and learns how to be a professional, the sky is the limit.

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Yeah, pretty much. I am shocked and disappointed that so many "fans" are quitting on their team before OTAs even begin. Alex has had a 92 QBR over the last few years, and was ranked in the top 10 the last couple years... "oh nooooezzz!!! He's a volvo! Booohoooo!!!"
Dont get it twisted. The majority of this board, cant get a word in edge wise because of the cry babies here. THE MAJORITY of Chiefs fans, know that Alex Smith was the best option this year, and that the chiefs are building for sustained success. Dont let the malcontents even bother you. Especially douches who tell you to fist your mother, or die in a fire. And defintely, ignore Jasonsauto, hes completely off his meds.
It's much better to pout and stomp your feet than to instead, just be men about it and show some support. Brilliant!

Originally Posted by qbsacker93

So if we go back a few years to when you guys were sucking, everything will be roses and sunshine right? No one badmouthing your organization? No? Then shut the **** up and stay in your lane you worthless troll.

Oh, we did. We sure did. Matter of fact, you should of seen the Jim Harbaugh is an idiot, he is bringing back alex smith, hes going to get himself fired.

Two fumbles by kyle williams away from the super bowl in his very first season, with alex smith as his qb......

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I wonder if there are "TrueFans" over on the Vikings board telling them Matt Cassell got a raw deal in KC and will upgrade their QB situation?

That is a great question, I bet there probably is.

I have a few friends from Minnesota that are Vikes fans and they seem kind of luke warm to Cassel. I would be pissed, but they are a lot more laid back than I am on the subject. I swear that guy was the the biggest fraud ever sold to a fan base.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Better? This team has been "better" many times. Some of us want the team to reach for "best" instead of settling for "better." Get it?

This team would have been better with JC taking direct snaps. This team would have been better with Bowe calling the plays. Better? Are you ****ing kidding me?

We have seen your act many times with condescending fans from other teams coming in here and telling us how lucky we are to have their rejects. Some of us are sick of it.

Kaepernick, is a condescending 49er fan. Yet, you guys rep the hell out of him, because he is saying what you feel, while making fun of you.

Guys like me, actually came here with positive intentions, and you shit all over us for it.

You really need to learn what CONDESCENDING is. You clearly have NO idea. You are just a bitter bitch who needs a coke and a smile, and hell, maybe get of the internet for a while.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I wonder if there are "TrueFans" over on the Vikings board telling them Matt Cassell got a raw deal in KC and will upgrade their QB situation?

This. Are they saying that 2011 and 2012 shouldn't count like Alex Smith fans say 2005-2010 shouldn't count?

"HE HAD CRENNEL AS HEAD COACH AND BILL MUIR AND BRIAN DABOLL AS OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR! NO QB WOULD HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THAT SITUATION! "
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[Mav]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I wonder if there are "TrueFans" over on the Vikings board telling them Matt Cassell got a raw deal in KC and will upgrade their QB situation?

Probably not. The vikings fans on the most part, really really like ponder. For god knows what reason. But they have reason for optimism. They just crushed the draft, and signed greg jennings.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

That is a great question, I bet there probably is.

I have a few friends from Minnesota that are Vikes fans and they seem kind of luke warm to Cassel. I would be pissed, but they are a lot more laid back than I am on the subject. I swear that guy was the the biggest fraud ever sold to a fan base.

Someone should do it. They feel about Ponder they way most intelligent fans feel about Alex Smith so they might take the bait on some Cassell love

Clay, make it so. We need some fresh entertainment.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Patterson dropped perfectly thrown balls on a constant basis which would kill drives and Hunter was just as bad.

Florida: 0:08, 0:16, 0:33 (footwork), @ Bray being raped by a FZ) 0:39, yikes at 1:40ish, the throw at the 1:59 is vintage Cutler and awesome on a mesh concept (OMG SEC will never use AR concepts), great punt 2:15, solid throw off PA at 2:28, not a bad fade to follow up, good pall placement on the slant at 3M, good throw at 3:10, good ball placement at 323, next two throws are either intentional throw aways IMO, great back shoulder on the TE at 3: 54, good check on a 4 verts concept at 4: 35, bad decision/footwork on the next throw, accurate on the slant at 5:19, throw away at 5:35, 5:40 is a good throw but the wrong read when you have cov0, great throw off poor footwork at 6:05, one of Patterson's drops at 6:26, poor overthrow at 6:40, drop by Hunter next play, average ball placement at the 7:08, sweet BS throw at 7:24, throw away/lack of progressions at 7:42, Bray isn't Tom Brady when it comes to sneaks, yuck at 8:07 although not Bray's fault, good check on 8:23, poor throw at 8:31 and 8:38, great ball placement at 8:46, meh on the next throw bad decision and his protection breaks down, great throw at 9:20, good throw and drop(1 handed) by Patterson at 9:35, meh on the next throw hit while throwing, good throw at 9:50, Cassel esque at 10:05, throw behind Hunter but correct read at 10:25, inaccurate/throw away? at 10:35, the rest are mostly desperation.

I did this quickly and didn't break down any of the route designs or coverages he was seeing as well. Additionally, its just 1 game. However, his ball placement is entirely erratic even when he has good footwork. There are throws that are perfect and others that are just horrific.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I am more and more convinced that every person in this gif is an actor or a prop.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Someone should do it. They feel about Ponder they way most intelligent fans feel about Alex Smith so they might take the bait on some Cassell love

Most intelligent Alex Smith fans? When alex came in towards the end of the season to do the kneel downs, the entire stadium, gave him a standing ovation, and chanted his name. Intelligent fans, respect alex smith, and appreciate him. You are the minority.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Ponderception

Florida: 0:08, 0:16, 0:33 (footwork), @ Bray being raped by a FZ) 0:39, yikes at 1:40ish, the throw at the 1:59 is vintage Cutler and awesome on a mesh concept (OMG SEC will never use AR concepts), great punt 2:15, solid throw off PA at 2:28, not a bad fade to follow up, good pall placement on the slant at 3M, good throw at 3:10, good ball placement at 323, next two throws are either intentional throw aways IMO, great back shoulder on the TE at 3: 54, good check on a 4 verts concept at 4: 35, bad decision/footwork on the next throw, accurate on the slant at 5:19, throw away at 5:35, 5:40 is a good throw but the wrong read when you have cov0, great throw off poor footwork at 6:05, one of Patterson's drops at 6:26, poor overthrow at 6:40, drop by Hunter next play, average ball placement at the 7:08, sweet BS throw at 7:24, throw away/lack of progressions at 7:42, Bray isn't Tom Brady when it comes to sneaks, yuck at 8:07 although not Bray's fault, good check on 8:23, poor throw at 8:31 and 8:38, great ball placement at 8:46, meh on the next throw bad decision and his protection breaks down, great throw at 9:20, good throw and drop(1 handed) by Patterson at 9:35, meh on the next throw hit while throwing, good throw at 9:50, Cassel esque at 10:05, throw behind Hunter but correct read at 10:25, inaccurate/throw away? at 10:35, the rest are mostly desperation.

I did this quickly and didn't break down any of the route designs or coverages he was seeing as well. Additionally, its just 1 game. However, his ball placement is entirely erratic even when he has good footwork. There are throws that are perfect and others that are just horrific.

Arkansas game, I saw was perfect example he threw great passes then started forcing it because of Patterson and Hunter's drops on 3rd down. These babies were right on their hands too.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan

Most intelligent Alex Smith fans? When alex came in towards the end of the season to do the kneel downs, the entire stadium, gave him a standing ovation, and chanted his name. Intelligent fans, respect alex smith, and appreciate him. You are the minority.

I'm sure he is a very nice and likable guy. He is like Trent Green in that aspect, but that's where the similarities end.

Nobody dislikes Alex Smith the person and I can see how you can be an obsessed fan of his(although it's a bit creepy). The problem is he has a long track record of NOT being able to do what it takes to be an elite passer in the NFL. I'm also fine with that, but the big concern is Dorsey/Reid thinking this is their guy for the next 4-5 years. I'd rather see him suck ass so that isn't a possibility rather than tread water around 4-5 and put less effort into finding that 10 year top 10 QB the Franchise really needs.

I don't want to hear this wait and see shit for a 29 year old guy with a track record. At least Green had limited starts in the NFL when he was aquired so there was the possibility of upside. I'd rather have a career backup that maybe just needed to see the field than play it safe.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Yeah, pretty much. I am shocked and disappointed that so many "fans" are quitting on their team before OTAs even begin. Alex has had a 92 QBR over the last few years, and was ranked in the top 10 the last couple years... "oh nooooezzz!!! He's a volvo! Booohoooo!!!"

It's much better to pout and stomp your feet than to instead, just be men about it and show some support. Brilliant!

It's sad that the only possible praise for Alex Smiff has to be followed by "Over the last few years", when he's been in the NFL for 8 years.....

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Fish

It's sad that the only possible praise for Alex Smiff has to be followed by "Over the last few years", when he's been in the NFL for 8 years.....

And the problem with that is his numbers got better when the attempts started to come down. If he was getting more attempts the last 2 years and shouldering more of the offense I would view this differently, but he was only servicable when he was reigned in.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Fish

It's sad that the only possible praise for Alex Smiff has to be followed by "Over the last few years", when he's been in the NFL for 8 years.....

There are a ton of legit reasons for why that was... but when it comes right down to it... what does that matter? The thing that matters in the NFL is not what you couldn't do many years ago. It's about what you can do now. So you stating this is irrelevant. "Over the last few years"... Alex has been pretty good. All of these preconceived notions that have developed over the early years of his career have been cemented in people's minds still today... and that, is what is sad.