The Dark Knight Rises *Spoilers* Thread

[mdchiefsfan]

For anyone who has seen the movie and wants to discuss it.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Undertaker

So if JGL becomes Batman, what's the story behind of how he gets his weapons, and how does he learn how to fight etc. Bruce Wayne got that from League of Shadows and his company's Applied Sciences dept.

Bruce could teach him to fight. He also could just continue using stuff Fox gives him. JGL is obviously part of the loop so I'm sure he will be taken care of by Bruce's people.

[Jawshco]

Actually three of the Robins did try to become Batman during Battle for the Cowl. Dick Grayson has become Batman on 3 separate occasions- one of those stints lasting more than a year.

I think Batman is the symbol. It doesn't matter who takes on the Cowl, but I do think it needs to be Batman.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by Jawshco

Actually three of the Robins did try to become Batman during Battle for the Cowl. Dick Grayson has become Batman on 3 separate occasions- one of those stints lasting more than a year.

I think Batman is the symbol. It doesn't matter who takes on the Cowl, but I do think it needs to be Batman.

But those were temporary, weren't they? I haven't read that particular story arc, but from what I gather, he was only there to make sure people didn't think Batman was dead, and Bruce reassumed Batman when he came back from injury. But Gotham already "knows" Batman is dead, so they just need another hero.

EDIT: Wasn't Azrael a cop, also?

[Deberg_1990]

Tom Hardy raps!

Impressive

[Chiefs Pantalones]

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

I still contend that, absent of Nolan's lazy parallels to Batman Begins that were the cause of the whole "regain a fear of death" thing that doesn't end up figuring into the film's climax at all like not even one bit, someone choosing to forgo the rope when attempting that climb can be read as an act of fearlessness.

You kinda whiffed on this one buddy.

It wasn't about climbing. Bruce didn't struggle with the climb. It was about that one jump. That one moment.

If he had the rope and he failed... no big loss. He could try tomorrow. Without the rope it was all or nothing, and at that moment when he prepared for that jump the fear of failure would push him to exceed himself.

[luv]

I've herd people say that this was the darkest of the three. Not sure I would say the same thing. The Joker's character made that movie dark. I'm not sure if it was Heath Ledger or the media hoopla surrounding his death shortly after that made that movie seem like more than it might have been, though. Anyway, I enjoyed the last one. Very well done.

[SnakeXJones]

Loved it even at the man allergies at the end

[Red Brooklyn]

It seems a lot of people (not just here, but on other boards, reviews, etc) are saying they felt Bane was neutered in the second act, that it was a big mistake to take all the wind out of him in favor of the "lame" Talia twist. People are saying they don't care about Talia at all, that they want more Bane. I happen to disagree, but it seems a common issue with the film.

For those who didn't like the twist and felt it hindered Bane, can I ask how you felt about Ra's reveal in Batman Begins? Because that is sort of the same thing, isn't it? Scarecrow seems to be the villain, he sort of disappears later in the movie, has a final scene that feels maybe anti-climactic, and all in favor of revealing that Ducard is alive and is, in fact, Ra's al Ghul.

If Batman Begins didn't bother you, but TDKR did, may I ask why? Is it how powerful Bane is versus how powerful Scarecrow is? Is it because we had more time to invest in Ducard/Ra's? I'm just curious. This isn't meant to be a challenge or anything, just conversation.

[Mr. Plow]

Don't listen to Red Brooklyn....he's challenging you.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Don't listen to Red Brooklyn....he's challenging you.

Do you bite your thumb at me, sir?!

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

You kinda whiffed on this one buddy.

It wasn't about climbing. Bruce didn't struggle with the climb. It was about that one jump. That one moment.

If he had the rope and he failed... no big loss. He could try tomorrow. Without the rope it was all or nothing, and at that moment when he prepared for that jump the fear of failure would push him to exceed himself.

The rope was the very thing that prevents people from completing the jump. Only two people have escaped from that prison, and both didn't use the rope. That jump was so easy a little girl made it.

It totally makes the hyper-intelligent Bane look like a ****ing idiot for not figuring it out. Which leads me to...

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

It seems a lot of people (not just here, but on other boards, reviews, etc) are saying they felt Bane was neutered in the second act, that it was a big mistake to take all the wind out of him in favor of the "lame" Talia twist. People are saying they don't care about Talia at all, that they want more Bane. I happen to disagree, but it seems a common issue with the film.

For those who didn't like the twist and felt it hindered Bane, can I ask how you felt about Ra's reveal in Batman Begins? Because that is sort of the same thing, isn't it? Scarecrow seems to be the villain, he sort of disappears later in the movie, has a final scene that feels maybe anti-climactic, and all in favor of revealing that Ducard is alive and is, in fact, Ra's al Ghul.

If Batman Begins didn't bother you, but TDKR did, may I ask why? Is it how powerful Bane is versus how powerful Scarecrow is? Is it because we had more time to invest in Ducard/Ra's? I'm just curious. This isn't meant to be a challenge or anything, just conversation.

I'll need to watch Begins again, because its' been like six or seven years since I've seen it. But it probably has to do with how powerful and smart Bane is, and how much the Talia twist directly takes away from what the audience was to understand was the source of Bane's power and intelligence: his ability (that allowed him) to escape the prison.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

The rope was the very thing that prevents people from completing the jump. Only two people have escaped from that prison, and both didn't use the rope. That jump was so easy a little girl made it.

It totally makes the hyper-intelligent Bane look like a ****ing idiot for not figuring it out.

I'll need to see TDKR again, but I'm interpreting that differently. I'm not sure the rope was a trick, or a puzzle to be solved. I had the impression that the jump is actually very difficult. The only reason Talia made the jump was desperation and fear. Same with Bruce.

I don't think there was anything for Bane to figure out.

Also, I'm not sure how long Bane was in prison before Talia busted him out. Actually, now I don't remember, do they ever tell us how Bane got out?

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

I'll need to see TDKR again, but I'm interpreting that differently. I'm not sure the rope was a trick, or a puzzle to be solved. I had the impression that the jump is actually very difficult. The only reason Talia made the jump was desperation and fear. Same with Bruce.

I don't think there was anything for Bane to figure out.

Also, I'm not sure how long Bane was in prison before Talia busted him out. Actually, now I don't remember, do they ever tell us how Bane got out?

I was mostly being facetious when I said it was easy. But I am convinced that it is impossible to make the jump with the rope.

Bane was rescued by Ra's and his team of mercenaries. He was chilling out in some corner of the prison with cloth covering his bloody mandible, presumably living in excruciating pain.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

I was mostly being facetious when I said it was easy. But I am convinced that it is impossible to make the jump with the rope.

Bane was rescued by Ra's and his team of mercenaries. He was chilling out in some corner of the prison with cloth covering his bloody mandible, presumably living in excruciating pain.

Right. Cool. Thanks. So he wasn't probably in there too terribly much longer after Talia escaped. I mean, it was probably a matter of months, not years, right?

I'm guessing had Bane still be in prison once he returned to full strength, he probably would have made the jump.

So I don't see that (the rope/escape/Talia reveal) as taking away from/neutering the character.