Football Schefter :Colin Kaepernick can't cash in - Page 5

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-26-2013, 12:43 PM

Don't care. One season (or half season) does not a career make. Morris will get paid if he keeps it up. If he doesn't, he'll be out of a job like anyone else that doesn't perform in their field.

If they don't like it, they can buy a Papa Johns or some shit.

Deberg_1990 · 01-26-2013, 12:44 PM

For every 1 or 2 Kaepernicks and Wilsons, there are about 100 rookie washouts or players performing at average contract level.

NFL is doing it right.

Hootie · 01-26-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Soooooooooooooooooooooooo much better than the travesty of paying these clowns as much as they were previously getting. Make them earn it.

You're off on this...

I agree, the pay scale for the first 10 picks is awesome but this wouldn't have ever applied to Wilson or Kaep because they weren't "lottery" picks...

At least in the old CBA these guys who are gems that grossly outplay their contracts could at least get paid and that's their right as professionals

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-26-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

You're off on this...

I agree, the pay scale for the first 10 picks is awesome but this wouldn't have ever applied to Wilson or Kaep because they weren't "lottery" picks...

At least in the old CBA these guys who are gems that grossly outplay their contracts could at least get paid and that's their right as professionals

If they keep it up, they'll get paid. Simple as that. Right now they don't deserve a mega deal.

Hootie · 01-26-2013, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

If they keep it up, they'll get paid. Simple as that. Right now they don't deserve a mega deal.

Wilson and Kaepernick don't deserve a mega deal?

That's ridiculous.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-26-2013, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

Wilson and Kaepernick don't deserve a mega deal?

That's ridiculous.

Again. If they show consistency and aren't flash in the pans they will hit the JACKPOT.

You act like they are making minimum wage dude

Hootie · 01-26-2013, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Again. If they show consistency and aren't flash in the pans they will hit the JACKPOT.

You act like they are making minimum wage dude

Russell Wilson is making NFL minimum wage. It's an absolute gross injustice after the year he had and the position he plays.

If you're the most important person in your fortune 500 company and you make your boss $100 million dollars and he pays you $30K a year and doesn't give you a bonus...

would you say..."meh, maybe if I do it again next year he'll upgrade my pay!" ??

Just because $300K is a lot to you doesn't mean Russell Wilson isn't grossly underpaid for his profession. The NFL is the ULTIMATE violent sport where ANYTHING can happen to ANYONE...Wilson could take one hit and get paralyzed in preseason next year.

These players who outperform their contracts, especially 3rd-7th round young players, should have the luxury to rework their deals to ensure themselves financial security WHENEVER they want. They are PROFESSIONALS. This is their JOB.

The only reason we as fans like all of this is because we will no longer see Chris Johnson holdouts or Sam Bradford mega deals...which is fine for us, but disgustingly unfair to guys like Russell Wilson (and even Chris Johnson had he not been able to get his deal)

Hootie · 01-26-2013, 12:53 PM

3rd - 7th round picks are the lowest paid players in the NFL because they are EXPECTED to be "washouts" with very little success rates of being star caliber or even starting caliber.

The ones that do hit (like Wilson) should be able to rework his contract JUST LIKE the NFL can simply cut guys like Pat White after 1 season with very little impact...

look, the wage scale for the first 15 picks was ABSOLUTELY necessary...paying Sam Bradford $60M guaranteed had to stop. They have this right now. The fact they get paid like quality players and are fully guaranteed makes total, 100% sense.

That's not the argument.

And I'm sure the agents for Kaep and Wilson can make them a lot of $$$ in endorsements, so whatever. They'll live.

The real injustice is for a guy like Alfred Wilson. He has, at best, a 5 year window to make enough money to live comfortably for the rest of his life. This is his JOB, his PROFESSION, and unlike you and me he can't work for 50 years in this profession.

If he's outplaying other backs who make MILLIONS, he should be able to request a better contract after a year he had this year. Instead he's locked in for $300K per year for his first 3 years and if he wants to rework his contract after 3 years his team still has ALL of the leverage so odds are he's going to have to settle for $0.50 on the $1 even when he gets to finally rework his deal anyways.

It's a bullshit flaw in the CBA. Players should be able to rework their deals whenever they want...us fans think holdouts suck and are annoying but that doesn't matter, this is their LIVELIHOOD. If our jobs aren't paying us enough we put in resumes for other jobs and look for better pay and more security...you guys saying NFL players shouldn't have that luxury is ignorant.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-26-2013, 12:56 PM

It's a very moot point. Kaep is only locked into his deal until after NEXT season. If he plays lights out again he'll get PAID. If he doesn't, he won't earn one.

Hootie · 01-26-2013, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

It's a very moot point. Kaep is only locked into his deal until after NEXT season. If he plays lights out again he'll get PAID. If he doesn't, he won't earn one.

he's already earned one

he's earned the right to get paid like a top tier NFL starting QB; he is the best player on a team he has favored to win the Super Bowl

saying he hasn't earned the right to rework a contract that pays him less than many 3rd string NFL veteran QB's is simply ignorant

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-26-2013, 01:01 PM

After 2014, he'll have a damn money pit and be swimming in cash. All he has to do is have 2 solid seasons of play. Kaep only needs one.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-26-2013, 01:04 PM

Well, thanks for the discussion Hootie. I get what you are saying, but show that consistency and earn that contract!!

Hootie · 01-26-2013, 01:05 PM

no, you have to have 3 seasons before you get paid

that's not even the point; I have no doubt Kaep and Wilson will end up getting MASSIVE contracts.

It doesn't mean it's right they have to play 3 seasons (especially for Wilson) at the one MEGA MONEY NFL position that means everything to their franchises and play for NFL WELFARE WAGE.

They should be able to rework their contracts whenever they want, period.

You have no good counter point to my fortune 500 company analogy. I'm right, you're wrong. It's ok to admit these things sometimes. This is a common sense flaw here. A professional who is amazing at his job should have the right to make whatever he's worth, and at the very least have the option to look around to see what he's worth. Just like we can do with our careers if we're really good at what we do.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-26-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

no, you have to have 3 seasons before you get paid

that's not even the point; I have no doubt Kaep and Wilson will end up getting MASSIVE contracts.

It doesn't mean it's right they have to play 3 seasons (especially for Wilson) at the one MEGA MONEY NFL position that means everything to their franchises and play for NFL WELFARE WAGE.

They should be able to rework their contracts whenever they want, period.

You have no good counter point to my fortune 500 company analogy. I'm right, you're wrong. It's ok to admit these things sometimes. This is a common sense flaw here. A professional who is amazing at his job should have the right to make whatever he's worth, and at the very least have the option to look around to see what he's worth. Just like we can do with our careers if we're really good at what we do.

Alright, he can go play in the CFL if he wants. Good luck getting that mega deal.

Hootie · 01-26-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Alright, he can go play in the CFL if he wants. Good luck getting that mega deal.

you are being a moron who can't admit the points I have made are 100% correct and now you're just posting meaningless babble because you can't admit you are wrong and didn't look at this objectively

01-26-2013, 12:43 PM	#1
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $3848880	Don't care. One season (or half season) does not a career make. Morris will get paid if he keeps it up. If he doesn't, he'll be out of a job like anyone else that doesn't perform in their field. If they don't like it, they can buy a Papa Johns or some shit. __________________ **Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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01-26-2013, 12:44 PM	#2
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3884454	For every 1 or 2 Kaepernicks and Wilsons, there are about 100 rookie washouts or players performing at average contract level. NFL is doing it right. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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01-26-2013, 12:53 PM	#8
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	3rd - 7th round picks are the lowest paid players in the NFL because they are EXPECTED to be "washouts" with very little success rates of being star caliber or even starting caliber. The ones that do hit (like Wilson) should be able to rework his contract JUST LIKE the NFL can simply cut guys like Pat White after 1 season with very little impact... look, the wage scale for the first 15 picks was ABSOLUTELY necessary...paying Sam Bradford $60M guaranteed had to stop. They have this right now. The fact they get paid like quality players and are fully guaranteed makes total, 100% sense. That's not the argument. And I'm sure the agents for Kaep and Wilson can make them a lot of $$$ in endorsements, so whatever. They'll live. The real injustice is for a guy like Alfred Wilson. He has, at best, a 5 year window to make enough money to live comfortably for the rest of his life. This is his JOB, his PROFESSION, and unlike you and me he can't work for 50 years in this profession. If he's outplaying other backs who make MILLIONS, he should be able to request a better contract after a year he had this year. Instead he's locked in for $300K per year for his first 3 years and if he wants to rework his contract after 3 years his team still has ALL of the leverage so odds are he's going to have to settle for $0.50 on the $1 even when he gets to finally rework his deal anyways. It's a bullshit flaw in the CBA. Players should be able to rework their deals whenever they want...us fans think holdouts suck and are annoying but that doesn't matter, this is their LIVELIHOOD. If our jobs aren't paying us enough we put in resumes for other jobs and look for better pay and more security...you guys saying NFL players shouldn't have that luxury is ignorant.
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01-26-2013, 12:56 PM	#9
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $3848880	It's a very moot point. Kaep is only locked into his deal until after NEXT season. If he plays lights out again he'll get PAID. If he doesn't, he won't earn one. __________________ **Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
Posts: 68,712

01-26-2013, 01:01 PM	#11
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $3848880	After 2014, he'll have a damn money pit and be swimming in cash. All he has to do is have 2 solid seasons of play. Kaep only needs one. __________________ **Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
Posts: 68,712

01-26-2013, 01:04 PM	#12
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $3848880	Well, thanks for the discussion Hootie. I get what you are saying, but show that consistency and earn that contract!! __________________ **Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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01-26-2013, 01:05 PM	#13
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	no, you have to have 3 seasons before you get paid that's not even the point; I have no doubt Kaep and Wilson will end up getting MASSIVE contracts. It doesn't mean it's right they have to play 3 seasons (especially for Wilson) at the one MEGA MONEY NFL position that means everything to their franchises and play for NFL WELFARE WAGE. They should be able to rework their contracts whenever they want, period. You have no good counter point to my fortune 500 company analogy. I'm right, you're wrong. It's ok to admit these things sometimes. This is a common sense flaw here. A professional who is amazing at his job should have the right to make whatever he's worth, and at the very least have the option to look around to see what he's worth. Just like we can do with our careers if we're really good at what we do.
Posts: 56,356