Draft Predictions for Chiefs - Page 4

bigdreams1 · 04-24-2009, 11:10 AM

Chiefs draft Tyson Jackson at #3 or where we trade down to.
LDE Jackson NT Tyler RDE Dorsey (Dockett roll)
LOLB Vravel ILB Johson ILB Thomas ROLB: Hali, Robertson, McBride or draft pick

Tank Tyler was thought to be a 1st round talent at NT when he weighed 323 pounds. I think he put's back on the pounds and can play NT. He played NT at NC State and excelled. He would have been a first rounder if he didn't have the character issues. Tyson Jackson is a big run stuffer and that is what we need. He doesn't need to get sacks. He will free up our LB's to get sacks. I also think that Dorsey is perfect for the RDE position. If you look at Darnell Dockett and how he was used I see this as how they will use Dorsey. I think when you add Jackson to the mix things start looking alot better very quick. I think he is worth a #3 if we cannot trade out of it. Anyone else we pick will be a reach because we already have a QB and LT. Just my 2 cents. Any thoughts?

booger · 04-24-2009, 10:46 PM

I don't doubt they have strong interest in Jackson, just not at 3. They might be taking a chance that CLE would move up 2 spots if they think the browns are all gaga over him. That's the only thing I can think of as far as the leak would go. Maybe GB who is moving to the 34 with Dom Capers as the new DC. But I agree with those who say anything leaked by Pioli would be only the intention of a smokescreen.

ArrowheadMagic · 04-25-2009, 02:20 AM

CP bitching about the pick.........

htismaqe · 04-25-2009, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

As much as I've railed against that, it makes the most sense if they can't trade out of the 3 hole.

Monroe or Smith would instantly give the Chiefs bookend tackles for the next decade.

And both are extremely safe.

Unlike Crabtree or Jackson.

htismaqe · 04-25-2009, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I agree, we aren't fixing the D, in one year, but I believe a NT is the most important piece of the 3-4defensive puzzle and should be priority one. Add to that, Raji is certainly considered a top 5 pick, so the value is there. Not to mention a top NT is justifiable to pay big money to, a run-stopping LBer isn't.

I just can't see us ignoring the most important piece of a 3-4 to some-what solidify our LBers, when this draft is DEEP for LBers and NOT FOR NTs, especially without a 2nd round pick. To me it's all about the value and the drop-off after that player is selected. If we lose Curry, there's several more choices, the same cannot be said for NT in this draft.

None of the best NT's in the game were Top 5 picks. I'm pretty sure none of them were Top 10 picks.

And I think there's a good chance Ron Brace ends up being a better 3-4 NT than Raji.

BigChiefFan · 04-25-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

None of the best NT's in the game were Top 5 picks. I'm pretty sure none of them were Top 10 picks.

And I think there's a good chance Ron Brace ends up being a better 3-4 NT than Raji.

Understood, however the 3-4 wasn't nearly as popular as it has become in recent years. If you'll notice the trend, they've continued to go higher ever year. We have a chance to get our version of Ngata and I would say, given our needs, that's priority one to get taken care of. Just my two cents, but I think we'll continue to see NT as a highly coveted position because of the rarity of finding someone to actually man the position. The pick isn't sexy, but I believe it would do more for shoring up our defense than any other move we could make, given the players in the draft. I like Brace, but he isn't nearly as explosive as Raji is.

eazyb81 · 04-25-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Understood, however the 3-4 wasn't nearly as popular as it has become in recent years. If you'll notice the trend, they've continued to go higher ever year. We have a chance to get our version of Ngata and I would say, given our needs, that's priority one to get taken care of. Just my two cents, but I think we'll continue to see NT as a highly coveted position because of the rarity of finding someone to actually man the position. The pick isn't sexy, but I believe it would do more for shoring up our defense than any other move we could make, given the players in the draft. I like Brace, but he isn't nearly as explosive as Raji is.

Raji is no Ngata. Ngata is an absolute rock in the middle - unmoveable. Raji gets in the backfield better and shows quick moves by getting through gaps, but he can get pushed aside. A backfield disruptor is fine out of a nose, but not at the expense of being inconsistent in controlling the line and shutting down the inside running game.

I agree with htismaqe that Brace may end up being the better pro NT.

htismaqe · 04-25-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Understood, however the 3-4 wasn't nearly as popular as it has become in recent years. If you'll notice the trend, they've continued to go higher ever year. We have a chance to get our version of Ngata and I would say, given our needs, that's priority one to get taken care of. Just my two cents, but I think we'll continue to see NT as a highly coveted position because of the rarity of finding someone to actually man the position. The pick isn't sexy, but I believe it would do more for shoring up our defense than any other move we could make, given the players in the draft. I like Brace, but he isn't nearly as explosive as Raji is.

The Ravens don't play a true 3-4. I'm not 100% sure what they do run because I don't get a ton of chances to watch them, but I'm sure I've seen both Ngata and Kelly Gregg playing inside at the same time.

Furthermore, Raji really isn't close to being the prospect Ngata was.

Mecca · 04-25-2009, 11:22 AM

He's a different kind of prospect. Ngata wasn't a fit for every team because of how mammoth he is.

B_Ambuehl · 04-25-2009, 11:37 AM

I'm amazed by the number of people who hype up Ron Brace that obviously didn't watch him play. Brace is big and little else. He plays wayyy too high and routinely got pushed pushed off the spot by college lineman. His play reminds me of Jr. Siavii, another guy that got hyped up simply due to his build.

eazyb81 · 04-25-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

I'm amazed by the number of people who hype up Ron Brace that obviously didn't watch him play. Brace is big and little else. He plays wayyy too high and routinely got pushed pushed off the spot by college lineman. His play reminds me of Jr. Siavii, another guy that got hyped up simply due to his build.

What exactly do you think a nose tackle's job is? In that Pats scheme, it's to clog the middle, occupy blockers, and hold his ground at the point of attack. Saying he's big and little else might sound like a criticism to you but it's really not.

htismaqe · 04-25-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

I'm amazed by the number of people who hype up Ron Brace that obviously didn't watch him play. Brace is big and little else. He plays wayyy too high and routinely got pushed pushed off the spot by college lineman. His play reminds me of Jr. Siavii, another guy that got hyped up simply due to his build.

His technique is correctable.

oldandslow · 04-25-2009, 01:59 PM

I think it will be Curry. Jackson is a smokescreen...That is if we don't trade out.

04-24-2009, 11:10 AM
bigdreams1 Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Casino cash: $10004900	Draft Predictions for Chiefs Chiefs draft Tyson Jackson at #3 or where we trade down to. LDE Jackson NT Tyler RDE Dorsey (Dockett roll) LOLB Vravel ILB Johson ILB Thomas ROLB: Hali, Robertson, McBride or draft pick Tank Tyler was thought to be a 1st round talent at NT when he weighed 323 pounds. I think he put's back on the pounds and can play NT. He played NT at NC State and excelled. He would have been a first rounder if he didn't have the character issues. Tyson Jackson is a big run stuffer and that is what we need. He doesn't need to get sacks. He will free up our LB's to get sacks. I also think that Dorsey is perfect for the RDE position. If you look at Darnell Dockett and how he was used I see this as how they will use Dorsey. I think when you add Jackson to the mix things start looking alot better very quick. I think he is worth a #3 if we cannot trade out of it. Anyone else we pick will be a reach because we already have a QB and LT. Just my 2 cents. Any thoughts?
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04-24-2009, 10:46 PM	#46
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04-25-2009, 11:37 AM	#54
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9805405	I'm amazed by the number of people who hype up Ron Brace that obviously didn't watch him play. Brace is big and little else. He plays wayyy too high and routinely got pushed pushed off the spot by college lineman. His play reminds me of Jr. Siavii, another guy that got hyped up simply due to his build.
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04-25-2009, 01:59 PM	#57
oldandslow Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $5503149	I think it will be Curry. Jackson is a smokescreen...That is if we don't trade out.
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