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Old 11-29-2005, 08:51 AM  
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Detroit radio saying Lions will target Saunders for HC?
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Al Saunders from Kansas City and possibly soon to be released Kerry Collins will be the targets of Lions staff this off season.
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:06 AM   #61
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Of course he'd run the Coryell system. That's absurd. Nothing like overzealous hyperbole.

The thing is, there are MULTIPLE and varied versions of the Coryell system. How much does Oakland's offense look like Dallas' of the mid 90's?

Subtle changes happen every time a coach changes positions or teams. To think that we can extend the offense of the last few years just by elevating Saunders to head coach is just setting everyone up for heartache.

I'll ask jspchief's question again:

When was the last time a coordinator was elevated to HC for the same team and that coach was successful?
OCs are hardly ever promoted because coaches very rarely retire; they are fired, and the staff is along with them, so we have very few data points in which to form a hypothesis.

Now answer my question: when is the last time an OC became a HC and junked his offensive system?
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:08 AM   #62
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The problem I have with AS being HC is that this O is old and half the players are going to retire in 1-2 yrs so IMO it doesn't make sense to hang on to something that is about near the end. It was a good run but DV/CP couldn't fix the D in time and now were screwed.

It is time to move on.

To answer jsp's question again...Mike Martz. Of course it depends on what you call successful but he did make it to the SB and I think the Rams made it to the playoffs every year except maybe 1.
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:08 AM   #63
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Saunders stays, becomes Chiefs HC. Gun stays as DC. We get Norv Turner as OC. We win SB within 3 years. Carl Peterson swindles Lamar Hunt into partial ownership. Ticket prices double in that timeframe. The parking lot becomes the Chiefs primary funder for the SB roof, as Arrowhead Used Cars goes into business, based on title loans required for parking.

At least the first two sentences of the above paragraph are plausible.
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:09 AM   #64
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Now answer my question: when is the last time an OC became a HC and junked his offensive system?
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:11 AM   #65
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OCs are hardly ever promoted because coaches very rarely retire; they are fired, and the staff is along with them, so we have very few data points in which to form a hypothesis.

Now answer my question: when is the last time an OC became a HC and junked his offensive system?
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:12 AM   #66
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:13 AM   #67
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I should really refresh threads before I reply, huh?
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:14 AM   #68
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Move on = Tear up everything built in the last 5 years to make us on of the most feared offenses. Almost all the 'O' coaches and players would have to be replaced, just to "move on." I bet all Donko fan planet posters are supporting your view.
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Age is going to tear up everything built offensively over the last 4 years, it won't matter who the coordinator is once that occurs.
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:17 AM   #69
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Frankie,

Age is going to tear up everything built offensively over the last 4 years, it won't matter who the coordinator is once that occurs.
Yep totally agree.

Roaf, Shields, Green, Priest, T-Rich, plus the contract status of TonyG is going to make it almost impossible to recreate the magic we had on O.

We had our chance we blew it and now we should start clean and fresh if that is possible with CP still around.
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:17 AM   #70
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Frankie,

Age is going to tear up everything built offensively over the last 4 years, it won't matter who the coordinator is once that occurs.
Exactly.

I just don't understand why this particular fanbase (the Chiefs) has such a big problem with change. I wonder if it has something to do with not winning for so long.
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:20 AM   #71
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you don't think he's learn anything in the last 10 years?
I am not sure what would have taught him anything about rebuilding an offense. When he got to KC everything but a couple WRs and Priest Holmes was in place. He certainly did nothing stellar in rebuilding the WRs. I am not even sure we can give him credit for Priest and he certainly did not want LJ. Do you have a reason to believe he has learned anything in this regard?
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:25 AM   #73
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The problem I have with AS being HC is that this O is old and half the players are going to retire in 1-2 yrs so IMO it doesn't make sense to hang on to something that is about near the end. It was a good run but DV/CP couldn't fix the D in time and now were screwed.

It is time to move on.

To answer jsp's question again...Mike Martz. Of course it depends on what you call successful but he did make it to the SB and I think the Rams made it to the playoffs every year except maybe 1.

I don't know if AS will get the job or not, but I do think we will hire another Coryell guy to run the offense. CP loves Trent Green, and we will run the same offense as long as Trent is here, which is at least 2 more years after this, in my opinion. Trent has run this offense every year in the NFL. It's what he knows.

What I don't understand is the hostility towards Saunders. He's done what has been asked of him. Do we really think a new OC would do better than what Saunders has done? It's hardly his fault that defensive coaching and talent evaluation has sucked. I won't be ecstatic if AS gets the job, but at least he brings SOMETHING to the table -- his offensive knowledge. We could do a lot worse than Saunders. Also, if Saunders stays on, there is a good chance Solari could stay on, too.
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I am not sure what would have taught him anything about rebuilding an offense. When he got to KC everything but a couple WRs and Priest Holmes was in place. He certainly did nothing stellar in rebuilding the WRs. I am not even sure we can give him credit for Priest and he certainly did not want LJ. Do you have a reason to believe he has learned anything in this regard?
Huh? Shields, TonyG and TRich are the only holdovers from before DV/AS.
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I can't believe Gunther actually let a moron like Kurt change the defensive scheme.

Gunther should be retained as DC.
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