The biggest reason our offense was great was the O-Line, Herm didn't ruin it.

Red Dawg · 12-20-2006, 07:04 AM

Herm has not ruined our offense. We don't have a dominate line anymore which has led to less yardage in the air and on the ground. Couple that with mediocre WR's and a suspect FB and this is what you get.

Trent is looking old as well. His arm no longer has the power to go down field. How many throws have hit the ground. How many times against Balt did they run up and knock the ball away from our WR's. We've seen Trnet under throw our guys more than once this year on deep patterns. This is related to arm strength.

Herm deserves a chance to build his team. Get the O-line he wants and get larger more physical WR's that can get the ball without having to be wide open.

At least we know damn well he will get some more beef for the D-line.

InChiefsHeaven · 12-20-2006, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Herm has not ruined our offense. We don't have a dominate line anymore which has led to less yardage in the air and on the ground. Couple that with mediocre WR's and a suspect FB and this is what you get.

Trent is looking old as well. His arm no longer has the power to go down field. How many throws have hit the ground. How many times against Balt did they run up and knock the ball away from our WR's. We've seen Trnet under throw our guys more than once this year on deep patterns. This is related to arm strength.

Herm deserves a chance to build his team. Get the O-line he wants and get larger more physical WR's that can get the ball without having to be wide open.

At least we know damn well he will get some more beef for the D-line.

Agreed. I'm pretty much in the same camp. The O Line was always the key, and now it's not working like it used to. That pretty much screws up the rest of the offense. Herm did not make Trent a year older and a little less accurate, he did not get rid of Roaf, he did not sign our mediocre recievers. He's working with what he has, which sadly ain't much anymore.

Blame Carl. It feels better!

Red Dawg · 12-20-2006, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Agreed. I'm pretty much in the same camp. The O Line was always the key, and now it's not working like it used to. That pretty much screws up the rest of the offense. Herm did not make Trent a year older and a little less accurate, he did not get rid of Roaf, he did not sign our mediocre recievers. He's working with what he has, which sadly ain't much anymore.

Blame Carl. It feels better!

YES! WE SHOUILD TAKE THE KING OUT BACK AND BEAT THE SNOT OUTTA HIM!

Warrior5 · 12-20-2006, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Trent is looking old as well. His arm no longer has the power to go down field. How many throws have hit the ground. How many times against Balt did they run up and knock the ball away from our WR's. We've seen Trent under throw our guys more than once this year on deep patterns. This is related to arm strength.

For the good of the team, Trent needs to communicate his intentions to Herm & Carl ASAP. If he is going to retire after this season, Carl needs to re-sign Huard before he goes on the market.

I know Huard is 33, but he shows toughness and doesn't try to force throws into double coverage. Rebuild or not, he'd provide stability through next year while Croyle develops.

CupidStunt · 12-20-2006, 07:50 AM

Trent is ready for a dirt nap, and Shields is barely average any more. Wiegmann is just being exposed more often than he used to be, and most of all we REALLY miss Roaf.

And, like it or not, Tait was much better than anyone we've had at right tackle since.

We need to spend draft picks building in the trenches.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-20-2006, 07:52 AM

It's not that Trent's arm is shot...he's not a pitcher. He can't step into his throws because he's constantly being assaulted on all sides.

MOhillbilly · 12-20-2006, 08:06 AM

i thought huard already had a new deal.

and we all knew last year that the O was gettin old.

Warrior5 · 12-20-2006, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

i thought huard already had a new deal.

That would be news to me; good news, but I must've missed it when it happened.

MOhillbilly · 12-20-2006, 08:24 AM

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2006/03..._damon_huard2/

CupidStunt · 12-20-2006, 08:33 AM

That was a one-year deal for 2006.

He's a UFA.

Radar Chief · 12-20-2006, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

It's not that Trent's arm is shot...he's not a pitcher. He can't step into his throws because he's constantly being assaulted on all sides.

I was watch’n this specifically last week and almost all the under throws I was able to track were because he wasn’t step’n through with his throw. He’s shortening his throwing motion 'cause he’s either got someone at his feet or he’s run’n for’is life.

Reerun_KC · 12-20-2006, 09:03 AM

Who evaluates the talent and decides who plays where on the OL? Solari or Herm...

Nice to see that the man in charge of the preformance of this football gets a complete free pass.

Reerun_KC · 12-20-2006, 09:06 AM

also, if you can see that the line is failing, why sit on your hands and try to convience Big Willie to come back? Carl and Herm sit and did nothing thinking Willie was coming back!

They are both stupid jackasses. If something is broke or weak, you try and fix it, but no they just let it go and said we will be alright..

Tool bags

Chiefnj · 12-20-2006, 09:09 AM

I wonder if Herm will realize that he needs a better OL and if he will address it.

In his 5 years in New York the Jets did not use a single first day draft pick at the OL position. This year, Mangini's first year, they used both on the OL (Brick and Mangold) and it appears to have paid dividends.

suds79 · 12-20-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by lj4mvp

Trent is ready for a dirt nap, and Shields is barely average any more. Wiegmann is just being exposed more often than he used to be, and most of all we REALLY miss Roaf.

And, like it or not, Tait was much better than anyone we've had at right tackle since.

We need to spend draft picks building in the trenches.

Agreed. While I love O-line play, we can't spend a lot of dollars on the entire O-line.

IMO, LT & RT is where you should typically spend the top picks to solidify those spots.

You can get Guards and Centers cheap in the middle to late rounds.

12-20-2006, 07:04 AM
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $4772858	The biggest reason our offense was great was the O-Line, Herm didn't ruin it. Herm has not ruined our offense. We don't have a dominate line anymore which has led to less yardage in the air and on the ground. Couple that with mediocre WR's and a suspect FB and this is what you get. Trent is looking old as well. His arm no longer has the power to go down field. How many throws have hit the ground. How many times against Balt did they run up and knock the ball away from our WR's. We've seen Trnet under throw our guys more than once this year on deep patterns. This is related to arm strength. Herm deserves a chance to build his team. Get the O-line he wants and get larger more physical WR's that can get the ball without having to be wide open. At least we know damn well he will get some more beef for the D-line.
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12-20-2006, 07:50 AM	#5
CupidStunt offense > defense Join Date: Jul 2005 Casino cash: $2543332	Trent is ready for a dirt nap, and Shields is barely average any more. Wiegmann is just being exposed more often than he used to be, and most of all we REALLY miss Roaf. And, like it or not, Tait was much better than anyone we've had at right tackle since. We need to spend draft picks building in the trenches.
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12-20-2006, 07:52 AM	#6
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	It's not that Trent's arm is shot...he's not a pitcher. He can't step into his throws because he's constantly being assaulted on all sides. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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CupidStunt offense > defense Join Date: Jul 2005 Casino cash: $2543332	That was a one-year deal for 2006. He's a UFA.
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Reerun_KC Rock Chalk Jayhawks! KU!!! Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $8301160	Who evaluates the talent and decides who plays where on the OL? Solari or Herm... Nice to see that the man in charge of the preformance of this football gets a complete free pass.
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Reerun_KC Rock Chalk Jayhawks! KU!!! Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $8301160	also, if you can see that the line is failing, why sit on your hands and try to convience Big Willie to come back? Carl and Herm sit and did nothing thinking Willie was coming back! They are both stupid jackasses. If something is broke or weak, you try and fix it, but no they just let it go and said we will be alright.. Tool bags
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Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	I wonder if Herm will realize that he needs a better OL and if he will address it. In his 5 years in New York the Jets did not use a single first day draft pick at the OL position. This year, Mangini's first year, they used both on the OL (Brick and Mangold) and it appears to have paid dividends. __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07)
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