defensive thoughts... - Page 2

Chris Meck · 11-15-2004, 01:35 PM

Ok.

I've been wrong; dead wrong about this defense. Unlike some folks, I'll own up.

These players just aren't good enough. Oh, they're fast enough, for the most part; big enough. But they're not SMART enough. They're more aggressive now than under GROB, but in all the dumbest ways.

We need new players. Gunther's a great defensive coordinator, and he's proven that in previous tenures. Gun needs to stay, and we need a talent infusion.

Woods can't run anymore. I've watched him closely the last few weeks, and he'll have the angle only to have the enemy blow right by him.

Wesley can't cover. He gets suckered a lot. Warfield is the only quality starter in that secondary-and he's really best suited as the #2 in a good tandem.

The LB corps is flat out not getting it done. Fujita's the only keeper here. Barber has been a waste, Mitchell's just not catching on, and Beisel is still inconsistent when healthy.

I am ready now to give up on Hicks. He just can't beat his man to the ball. Sims is a bust-he's just a body. NO push, NO rush, NO presence. Dalton is FAR superior, and there's just no way that should be the case. Browning has been a complete non-factor, as has Holliday. Allen is the only bright spot here, and he's still about 20 lbs. away from being an everydown end. Siavii the jury's still out on.

We need a quality #1 corner to pair with Warfield. We need at least one upgrade at safety. We need two quality LB's to pair with Fujita. We need a DE, a stud DT to pair with Dalton, and Allen needs to hit the weight room in the offseason.

The corner will have to come in FA, and he'll have to be paid. A DE will likely have to come there too. At least ONE of the LB's as well. Siavii might be your DT, it's too early to tell.

Just my thoughts.

Chris

go bo · 11-15-2004, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Depends on the size of the signing bonus. If those were not huge, we could cut them pretty easily. Remember, we have $6.5 million of cap space.

i think i read on one of the other threads that it if we cut somebody now it is too late to apply it to this year's cap...

Raiderhater · 11-15-2004, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by go bo

seems like battle was on the field some yesterday and he didn't get any flags for illegal contact/holding/pass interference, so maybe there's hope for him... i hope...

He might as well have, everyone else did.

**the Talking Can** · 11-15-2004, 02:13 PM

Hicks signed for almost nothing, we can cut him....Woods is a bigger problem cap wise....Woods/Sims/LJ all need to be shown the door, but because of their salaries they won't....so Blaylock will walk away and we'll still be the same shitty team on defense forever and ever amen....they've had 4 years to figure out how to field a good defense, what makes anyone think the same people will figure it out next year?

NewChief · 11-15-2004, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by go bo

iirc, caver was a second round draft pick of the eagles and he has tons of potential...

hopefully he will get better with more playing time over the rest of the season...

Being from Arkansas, I'm a big fan of Caver. He's a big, strong guy from all appearances. He does, however, look a little slow. Last week against Tampa, he got smoked by Pittman going to the outside when Caver had a definite angle on him. Pittman just accelerated and easily turned the corner on him. Not sure if that's a testament to Pittman or if it means Caver is a little slow. He did, however, bat down a pass, and he looked impressively tall when he did that.

**the Talking Can** · 11-15-2004, 02:15 PM

carver is a career special teams guy, if he is our hope for the future, well....ughh....

Chiefnj · 11-15-2004, 02:18 PM

"The six-year deal for Woods, who had made it clear his preference was to return to the Chiefs, is worth more than $3 million annually. The combined value of the initial signing bonus and a second-tier option bonus is $5 million, the same as Wesley's contract."

I think Hicks had a 3 mil bonus.

Mr. Laz · 11-15-2004, 02:24 PM

LiL stumppy · 11-15-2004, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

We just resigned Hicks, Wesley, and Woods, they aren't going anywhere. We've drafted a MLB and OLB high in the last two drafts, so it seems unlikely that we draft another unless we are able to get a stud MLB in round 1.

What about converting Bartee to safety? He seems to do well in run support. His coverage skills are still a mystery, but they can't be worse than Woods right now.

The scary thing is, we 've got a ton of youth at defensive positions. How many more years can we load up on D players? Sooner or later we're going to need O-linemen and and a FB, not to mention a future QB. If these young D players don't pan out, this team will be screwed. We need guys like Fox, Siavii, Mitchell, Sapp and Battle to evolve into starters. Maybe not stars, but we need to get role players out of some of these guys.

I was thinking we shoukd try LJ at full back.He has the size.

**Bob Dole** · 11-15-2004, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumppy

I was thinking we shoukd try LJ at full back.He has the size.

Too bad his weakest skill is blocking, eh?

BigChiefFan · 11-15-2004, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumppy

I was thinking we shoukd try LJ at full back.He has the size.

If LJ ends up as a FB and we spent a 1st round pick on him, the shit will hit the fan.

Hammock Parties · 11-15-2004, 04:13 PM

I think the original post nailed it.

Almost everyone on this defense is not football smart. The only exceptions, IMO, are Warfield and Fujita.

Hicks - too slow
Browning - too slow, no push
Holliday - yikes

Barber - has the speed, but gets blocked too easily, and is dumb
Same for the other LBs, except Fujita

**The Bad Guy** · 11-15-2004, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

MLB, CB, WLB, S, DE, DT in that order.

xoxo~
Gaz
Doubts he will get his entire wish list.

DE should be right behind cornerback for the top.

CB, DE, MLB, WLB, S in that order.

We can't cover anyone deep, and we have no true pass rushers. Allen could be one, but we have nothing on the other side.

Mr. Laz · 11-15-2004, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

DE should be right behind cornerback for the top.

CB, DE, MLB, WLB, S in that order.

We can't cover anyone deep, and we have no true pass rushers. Allen could be one, but we have nothing on the other side.

you know i used to get verbally gang "bashed" daily for posting such blasphemus, negative nellie type stuff.

you need to stop immediately young man or you will be sent to your room withouth supper.

Swanman · 11-15-2004, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob_Dole

Too bad his weakest skill is blocking, eh?

That's along the lines of "if you take out the fact that he has trouble catching the ball, he's a great receiver".

wolfpack0735 · 11-15-2004, 05:19 PM

people say we need this we need that and we do. the trouble we need about 7 or 8 new guys on defense and a true number one wideout on offense. the trouble is more than likely there isnt enough cap room next year.lamar hunt, yes it all starts and stops with him, is too cheap to open his check book for top players. queen carl may be sitting on 6 mil now but hunt knows this also, and dosnt do anything about it. but why should he?, we fill the stadium, buy chief things and fill his pocket book.

11-15-2004, 01:35 PM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1924910	defensive thoughts... Ok. I've been wrong; dead wrong about this defense. Unlike some folks, I'll own up. These players just aren't good enough. Oh, they're fast enough, for the most part; big enough. But they're not SMART enough. They're more aggressive now than under GROB, but in all the dumbest ways. We need new players. Gunther's a great defensive coordinator, and he's proven that in previous tenures. Gun needs to stay, and we need a talent infusion. Woods can't run anymore. I've watched him closely the last few weeks, and he'll have the angle only to have the enemy blow right by him. Wesley can't cover. He gets suckered a lot. Warfield is the only quality starter in that secondary-and he's really best suited as the #2 in a good tandem. The LB corps is flat out not getting it done. Fujita's the only keeper here. Barber has been a waste, Mitchell's just not catching on, and Beisel is still inconsistent when healthy. I am ready now to give up on Hicks. He just can't beat his man to the ball. Sims is a bust-he's just a body. NO push, NO rush, NO presence. Dalton is FAR superior, and there's just no way that should be the case. Browning has been a complete non-factor, as has Holliday. Allen is the only bright spot here, and he's still about 20 lbs. away from being an everydown end. Siavii the jury's still out on. We need a quality #1 corner to pair with Warfield. We need at least one upgrade at safety. We need two quality LB's to pair with Fujita. We need a DE, a stud DT to pair with Dalton, and Allen needs to hit the weight room in the offseason. The corner will have to come in FA, and he'll have to be paid. A DE will likely have to come there too. At least ONE of the LB's as well. Siavii might be your DT, it's too early to tell. Just my thoughts. Chris
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11-15-2004, 02:13 PM	#18
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $10022208	Hicks signed for almost nothing, we can cut him....Woods is a bigger problem cap wise....Woods/Sims/LJ all need to be shown the door, but because of their salaries they won't....so Blaylock will walk away and we'll still be the same shitty team on defense forever and ever amen....they've had 4 years to figure out how to field a good defense, what makes anyone think the same people will figure it out next year? __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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11-15-2004, 04:13 PM	#26
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4700478	I think the original post nailed it. Almost everyone on this defense is not football smart. The only exceptions, IMO, are Warfield and Fujita. Hicks - too slow Browning - too slow, no push Holliday - yikes Barber - has the speed, but gets blocked too easily, and is dumb Same for the other LBs, except Fujita __________________ Chiefs game films
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wolfpack0735 buttnaked is the only way tobe Join Date: May 2001 Location: B/T lost & nowhere in ks. Casino cash: $10008827	people say we need this we need that and we do. the trouble we need about 7 or 8 new guys on defense and a true number one wideout on offense. the trouble is more than likely there isnt enough cap room next year.lamar hunt, yes it all starts and stops with him, is too cheap to open his check book for top players. queen carl may be sitting on 6 mil now but hunt knows this also, and dosnt do anything about it. but why should he?, we fill the stadium, buy chief things and fill his pocket book. __________________ Three most important things in life... Chiefs football, Beer and women, all in that order!! Adopt - A - Chief Willie Lanier Old enough to remember WHAT a Super Bowl is!!
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