Restating the obvious, Dorsey learned from Ted Thompson

[buddha]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

That's fine....but other people do. They have a right to state their opinion just like people who love the trade do. It's not "talking out of both sides of their mouth".....it's stating their opinion and bitching about them only makes you look like an idiot.

We'll agree to disagree on that point.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by buddha

We'll agree to disagree on that point.

So you're not going to be a man and prove that I was talking out of both sides of my mouth?

Gonna bow out before anybody realizes that you got ****ing owned?

[buddha]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

So you're not going to be a man and prove that I was talking out of both sides of my mouth?

Gonna bow out before anybody realizes that you got ****ing owned?

What a child you are...seriously.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by buddha

What a child you are...seriously.

I haven't sent a single neg rep in over 8 years.

Every argument I have is right here, in the open.

Prove me wrong or shut up.

You started this. Now be a man and either finish it or admit that you were wrong.

[KCwolf]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I haven't sent a single neg rep in over 8 years.

Every argument I have is right here, in the open.

Prove me wrong or shut up.

You started this. Now be a man and either finish it or admit that you were wrong.

DUDE REALLY?????? Giving up 2 2nd rd picks for Alex was worth it .. Period

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by KCwolf

DUDE REALLY?????? Giving up 2 2nd rd picks for Alex was worth it .. Period

only if we followed it up with an aggressive offseason of FA's and drafting to push for a deep playoff run

Otherwise it's just a bandaid and not worth two 2nd rounders

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

only if we followed it up with an aggressive offseason of FA's and drafting to push for a deep playoff run

Otherwise it's just a bandaid and not worth two 2nd rounders

Are you using past tense? Like we had last year to prove it was worth it? Because I think Smith will be here for several years. I think there's time yet to tell if it was worth the picks. Though after one year, I'm going with it's looking like it was worth it. We'll see.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

only if we followed it up with an aggressive offseason of FA's and drafting to push for a deep playoff run

Otherwise it's just a bandaid and not worth two 2nd rounders

Regardless of further moves, Smith was worth every bit of those two seconds IMO... there was absolutely no one better available for less.

More than anyone else... GM, HC, hidden gems with real potential, average schmaverage fill ins... Smitty was the one MOST responsible for that 9 game swing, PERIOD.

Without him we're flopping around once again like a fish out of water with Barkley, Geno, Jason Campbell etc... no hope for NOW, no hope for the FUTURE, just flopping the hell around.

God bless Alex Smith.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I haven't sent a single neg rep in over 8 years.

Every argument I have is right here, in the open.

Prove me wrong or shut up.

You started this. Now be a man and either finish it or admit that you were wrong.

You sound like me. If I have ever given any negative rep (anything is possible...) I don't remember doing it. 'course I rarely give out positive rep either. But I do sometimes.

[Dinny Bossa Nova]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

So you're not going to be a man and prove that I was talking out of both sides of my mouth?

Gonna bow out before anybody realizes that you got ****ing owned?

Clay? Is that you?

It appears when htis left, as a parting shot he gave you his login info. I can't believe that the real htis typed the post I quoted.

Dinny

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Dinny Blues

Clay? Is that you?

It appears when htis left, as a parting shot he gave you his login info. I can't believe that the real htis typed the post I quoted.

Dinny

Nah, it's the real me.

When people pull pussy moves like he did, I'm gonna let it be known.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by buddha

We'll agree to disagree on that point.

There's nothing to agree to disagree on. People have a right to their opinions. We're on a ****ing message board for ****s sake. You have a right to like both aspects....just as htismaqe has a right to like the player but hate what we gave up. He's not "talking out of both sides of his mouth" like you stated. You just look like an idiot for getting pissed at his opinion.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

There's nothing to agree to disagree on. People have a right to their opinions. We're on a ****ing message board for ****s sake. You have a right to like both aspects....just as htismaqe has a right to like the player but hate what we gave up. He's not "talking out of both sides of his mouth" like you stated. You just look like an idiot for getting pissed at his opinion.

I don't even "hate" what they gave up for him.

I think it's EXTREMELY disingenuous to try and sell people on the "What would Ted Thompson do" angle when Ted Thompson never traded 2 high draft picks for his QB.

I'm not the one talking out of both sides of my mouth. I'm not the one saying they HAD to trade for Alex Smith (for any number of reason last year) but that the long-term approach is to build through the draft.

This is not, and never has been since the day the season ended, about what I wanted. I wanted Geno Smith. I was wrong. I didn't want Alex Smith. I again, was wrong.

This isn't about being mad or being unhappy about what the Chiefs are (or aren't) doing. This isn't about them following (or not following) the blueprint that I want the team to take.

This is about the CLEAR and OBVIOUS differences between what the Chiefs did last year and what they're doing this year. People that explain them away as somehow complimentary are simply choosing to ignore reality.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't even "hate" what they gave up for him.

I think it's EXTREMELY disingenuous to try and sell people on the "What would Ted Thompson do" angle when Ted Thompson never traded 2 high draft picks for his QB.

I'm not the one talking out of both sides of my mouth. I'm not the one saying they HAD to trade for Alex Smith (for any number of reason last year) but that the long-term approach is to build through the draft.

This is not, and never has been since the day the season ended, about what I wanted. I wanted Geno Smith. I was wrong. I didn't want Alex Smith. I again, was wrong.

This isn't about being mad or being unhappy about what the Chiefs are (or aren't) doing. This isn't about them following (or not following) the blueprint that I want the team to take.

This is about the CLEAR and OBVIOUS differences between what the Chiefs did last year and what they're doing this year. People that explain them away as somehow complimentary are simply choosing to ignore reality.

Last year was the first year of a new regime. They went and got a QB and then signed some middle of the road FAs in hopes of turning things around in their first year. Some people have decided that meant we are in a "win now" mode and that we would go after more FAs and not just middle of the road guys. People actually thinking the Chiefs were going to go all in in year two of the new regime and sign more FAs got a reality check. So the clear and obvious difference this year is we didn't need to trade for a QB and the FAs we've talked with signed elsewhere. It's not really that much different at all. I'm more disturbed that we haven't signed Houston, Berry and Alex Smith to new deals and not having restructured a guy like Flowers. I expected that and then for us to look at middle of the road FAs or FA steals like we got with Schwartz last year. It does suck watching the Donks load up while we stay conservative though.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by philfree

Last year was the first year of a new regime. They went and got a QB and then signed some middle of the road FAs in hopes of turning things around in their first year. Some people have decided that meant we are in a "win now" mode and that we would go after more FAs and not just middle of the road guys. People actually thinking the Chiefs were going to go all in in year two of the new regime and sign more FAs got a reality check. So the clear and obvious difference this year is we didn't need to trade for a QB and the FAs we've talked with signed elsewhere. It's not really that much different at all. I'm more disturbed that we haven't signed Houston, Berry and Alex Smith to new deals and not having restructured a guy like Flowers. I expected that and then for us to look at middle of the road FAs or FA steals like we got with Schwartz last year. It does suck watching the Donks load up while we stay conservative though.

There's a little wrench in the gears though, in the form of those 2 picks given up for Alex Smith. I don't care if you spent those 2 picks on a 27-year old John Elway, you still have to surround him with talent. If you're not going to pick-up anything other than marginal depth in free agency, you have to get playmakers in the draft.

If Dorsey is a good GM, those 2 picks equal 2 solid starters. Given the standard probabilities for all teams in the draft, 2 solid starters is basically almost one entire draft.

That doesn't mean that they won't be successful. They've just essentially cut off their nose to spite their face. 2 steps forward, one step back. However you want to look at it.

I'm not saying Alex Smith was a bad move. I'm not saying two picks was too much to give up.

All I'm saying is that giving up those 2 picks make the rest of the "plan" that much harder to execute, thus the probability said "plan" working goes down...