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Old 04-19-2013, 05:59 PM   #1
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It IS outdated.

JFC.

So, you and ALL of your buddies have SPAMMED this forum with "It's CHEAP to take a QB" because of the new CBA, right?

But, you're going to say that compensation should remain the same?

What the ****?

I don't give a flying **** what Washington gave up for RGIII. Any team that is going to demand the same compensation Pre-2011 CBA as Post 2011 CBA is smoking crack.

ANY salesman worth his salt would say "**** off".

New rules.
If something coveted is financially cheaper, while keeping in mind supplies are limited to ONE, you think that will drive down demand in terms of draft compensation?
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:26 AM   #2
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post is spot on

we are paying a premium price to upgrade from "very good" LT to "hope this guy is elite."

it's like paying a website a premium price for chiefs news you already have.
I see what you did there...
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:38 PM   #3
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I'm going to be honest, I won't accept the Joeckel pick unless he's on a HOF level within 2 to 3 years and there's no way around it. Since he's an excellent technician with immaculate footwork for an OT.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:41 PM   #4
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I'm going to honest I won't accept the Joeckel pick unless he's on a HOF level within 2 to 3 years no way around it. Since he's an excellent technician with immaculate footwork for an OT.
If Joeckel ends up being a solid starter and we get a QB in 1-2 years better than Geno Smith, would you care about the Joeckel pick?
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:44 PM   #5
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If Joeckel ends up being a solid starter and we get a QB in 1-2 years better than Geno Smith, would you care about the Joeckel pick?

No, and how do we know KC will pick a QB since Smith and Daniel are anointed 1st and 2nd string on the depth chart.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:46 PM   #6
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No, and how do we know KC will pick a QB since Smith and Daniel are anointed 1st and 2nd string on the depth chart.
With needs at safety, ILB, TE and WR depth, I'd be surprised if they took a QB this year, unless they absolutely love a guy.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:50 PM   #7
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With needs at safety, ILB, TE and WR depth, I'd be surprised if they took a QB this year, unless they absolutely love a guy.
yep, I could see them go for a QB in the 5th( being very generous) to UDFA
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:48 PM   #8
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No, and how do we know KC will pick a QB since Smith and Daniel are anointed 1st and 2nd string on the depth chart.
I don't know. I do know that Reid and Dorsey have a history of drafting a lot of QBs, there have been rumors that they like Tyler Wilson, and that neither Smith nor Daniel have long-term deals.

But to the main point... I don't get it. Isn't the only reason people don't want Joeckel because they want Geno? If we end up with a better QB than Geno, than what did we lose?
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:56 PM   #9
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But to the main point... I don't get it. Isn't the only reason people don't want Joeckel because they want Geno? If we end up with a better QB than Geno, than what did we lose?
I'm not in the Geno or bust group but I want an impact player. (QB,Pass Rusher, WR,CB)

Joeckel will have to be on the same level as Roaf when comes to pure dominance. It's what that draft slot demands.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:44 PM   #10
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I suppose the Chiefs could also come out on top if

1) Joeckel/Fisher are good players. They aren't total busts.
2) Alex Smith unprecedentedly plays leaps better than even his last two seasons in San Francisco
3) The 2nd rounder we get from the Dolphins turns out to be a pretty damn good player
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:53 PM   #11
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I suppose the Chiefs could also come out on top if

1) Joeckel/Fisher are good players. They aren't total busts.
2) Alex Smith unprecedentedly plays leaps better than even his last two seasons in San Francisco
3) The 2nd rounder we get from the Dolphins turns out to be a pretty damn good player
If the Chiefs find a better QB than Geno, and Joeckel isn't a bust, the Chiefs did fine on their pick. I'm not saying that will be easy. But let's stop twisting the argument. People aren't against Joeckel as much as they are against the idea of passing on Geno.
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If the Chiefs find a better QB than Geno, and Joeckel isn't a bust, the Chiefs did fine on their pick. I'm not saying that will be easy. But let's stop twisting the argument. People aren't against Joeckel as much as they are against the idea of passing on Geno.
Albert + Jordan > Joeckel
Albert + Warmack > Joeckel
Albert + Jones > Joeckel
Albert + Milliner > Joeckel
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:01 AM   #13
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Albert + Jordan > Joeckel
Albert + Warmack > Joeckel
Albert + Jones > Joeckel
Albert + Milliner > Joeckel
Complete speculation
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Albert + Jordan > Joeckel
Albert + Warmack > Joeckel
Albert + Jones > Joeckel
Albert + Milliner > Joeckel
This x eleventy.

There is no defense for the pissing away of 1.1.
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:05 AM   #15
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Albert + Jordan > Joeckel
Albert + Warmack > Joeckel
Albert + Jones > Joeckel
Albert + Milliner > Joeckel
It's not just Joeckel. It would be Joeckel, a second round pick, and the free agent you can buy with the dollar savings (which is going to be $5-7M per year -- a pretty healthy amount). None of the options besides Geno should excite anyone. Let's be real -- this is just a shitty year to be at the top of the draft.
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