Football Late Night Bullshit: best leaguewide QB situation ever? - Page 5

**BossChief** · 10-03-2013, 10:37 PM

Is this the best depth of quality at the quarterback position ever?

We have veteran probable hall of famers starting all over the place that are still arguably in their prime and playing at amazing levels.

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Aaron Rodgers

We have a second tier of passers that have displayed elite ability and are still in the prime years that could all play themselves into HOF talks if they have a couple more good years.

Matt Ryan
Eli Manning
Ben Rothlisberger
Jay Cutler
Phillip Rivers
Joe Flacco

We have an amazing amount of young and extremely talented quarterbacks in their first handful or less of NFL time that have shown the ability to step up into the higher groups, if they aren't already there.

Russel Wilson
Robert Griffin III
Colin Kaepernick
Andrew Luck
Ryan Tanehill
Jake Locker
Andy Dalton
Matt Stafford

We have a group of solid quarterbacks that any one of them could break out

Alex Smith
Matt Shaub
Sam Bradford
Mike Vick
Tony Romo
Cam Newton

I grew up in the Marino, Montana, Aikman, Cunningham, Elway, Kelly era and I think this group of quarterbacks -leaguewide- is as good as any era that I've seen.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

The ONLY things holding Rothlisberger out of the HOF are the rape situations and Todd Haley.

Eli is a lock unless he falls off the face of the earth.

Flacco needs to continue to stay on the pace he is currently on. Maybe one more title run. The guy has won a lot of playoff games and was the superbowl MVP.

Like I said in the op, the second group NEEDS TO DO MORE TO GET INTO HOF TALKS
Cutler and Rivers have the stats, they just need a handful of signature playoff wins.

I think Rivers is and has always been vastly underrated my most on CP due to rivalry issues coding judgement. The guy has done a hell of a lot with a team that consistently let's it's free agents walk.

Sproles
Vincent Jackson
Mike Turner
LT
Cromartie

With a gm worth a shit, that team would be a contender every year.

Matt Ryan just got the "monkey off their back" and I think it's probable that we see Matt Ryan start to push his regular season success into the postseason similarly to how the old SF team did with Young once he finally beat Dallas in the playoffs.

Time will tell, but some of you are really underrating this crop of quarterbacks this league currently has.

Unlike Brady and Manning, Rivers has never elevated the level of players around him. He may have a plus arm but he's far from Hall of Fame material.

lcarus · 10-05-2013, 11:17 AM

I'm not a college scout or anything, but it seems there may be a few MORE QBs entering the league next year that have potential to be very good or even elite.

**Rausch** · 10-05-2013, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Winning a Super Bowl isn't the only criteria for the Hall of Fame and outside of Brees (who needs a few more Super Bowl appearances, IMO), the rest are just good.

Marino never won a SB. Yes, I understand Brees is not Marino but I think his numbers are so impressive you can't ignore him when it's time to vote...

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 10-05-2013, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Marino never won a SB. Yes, I understand Brees is not Marino but I think his numbers are so impressive you can't ignore him when it's time to vote...

Agreed. Brees has more yards and only 7 fewer TDs than Brady in less starts. He's a lock

**Rausch** · 10-05-2013, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudy Was Offsides

Agreed. Brees has more yards and only 7 fewer TDs than Brady in less starts. He's a lock

Not only that but winning a SB with Nawlins'?

Hell, that alone should get you in...

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2013, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Marino never won a SB. Yes, I understand Brees is not Marino but I think his numbers are so impressive you can't ignore him when it's time to vote...

Marino was special. He, like Warren Moon and Dan Fouts, were transcendent.

I think that Brees is a likely Hall of Famer, but when the sports writers debate his eligibility in 10 or 15 years and see that numbers across the league are sky high for passers, will one Super Bowl victory be enough?

It probably will but I don't know that he's a "lock".

As of right now, there's no way that Philip Rivers name should be enshrined along Jim Kelly, Len Dawson, Terry Bradshaw and the others.

**Rausch** · 10-05-2013, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think that Brees is a likely Hall of Famer, but when the sports writers debate his eligibility in 10 or 15 years and see that numbers across the league are sky high for passers, will one Super Bowl victory be enough?

It probably will but I don't know that he's a "lock".

Agreed, but there's always politics here as well. Some guys who should be in are still waiting 20 and 30 years later.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

As of right now, there's no way that Philip Rivers name should be enshrined along Jim Kelly, Len Dawson, Terry Bradshaw and the others.

Rivers has no argument for the HOF. He's done everything you say HOF players don't do...

whoman69 · 10-05-2013, 12:21 PM

You could pick just about any year and find 4 or 5 future Hall of Famers that were active. Its never been easier to play QB than it is now. This is like making a statement that the best home run hitters played during the steroids era.

**Rausch** · 10-05-2013, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

You could pick just about any year and find 4 or 5 future Hall of Famers that were active. Its never been easier to play QB than it is now. This is like making a statement that the best home run hitters played during the steroids era.

I think a big part of the difference is teams expecting their 1st or 2nd round QB to start year one. Until the last decade or so that just didn't happen unless you were a top 10 pick or the starter went down.

Grooming a QB slowly is now out the window. As a result you aren't spending years to make QB A fit into Coach B's offense. Coach B is now changing the offense so player A can start and play season 1 if not day 1.

I think this is the biggest reason. Instead of sitting a year or two and then starting they'll have at least a year of experience by their 3rd year. Even if unimpressive their first year at least the speed of the game and complexity of NFL offenses/defenses is something they're now use to.

ThaVirus · 10-05-2013, 12:44 PM

Drew Brees is a sure thing. He has the stats and holds a shit ton of records.

His resume is really ****ing impressive.

**cdcox** · 10-05-2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

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Winning a Super Bowl isn't the only criteria for the Hall of Fame and outside of Brees (who needs a few more Super Bowl appearances, IMO), the rest are just good.

Wow, Brees is the Dan Fouts and Dan Marino of our time in terms of productivity. He's already 6th all time in yardage, and has a SB win. I don't see any arguement anyone can make that keeps him out. He's a dead lock.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-05-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Wow, Brees is the Dan Fouts and Dan Marino of our time in terms of productivity. He's already 6th all time in yardage, and has a SB win. I don't see any arguement anyone can make that keeps him out. He's a dead lock.

I've already stated that he's likely to be a HOFer. But it would help his case if appears in at least one more Super Bowl.

These gaudy stats won't mean much in retrospect when voters are debating who to induct 10-15 years down the line.

ChiefsFanatic · 10-05-2013, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Only two current players are locks for the HOF: Brady and Manning.

Drew Brees is the next likely, followed by Aaron Rogers.

The rest don't stand a chance in hell unless they play like Brady and Manning.

I believe Brees is a lock. I am not really a huge fan of his, but I recently came across some stats, and looking closer, he compares very favorably to Brady and Manning. It was actually a shock to me, because although I thought of him as a very good QB, I didn't think of him in terms of the HOF. His wins/losses, attempts/completions, touchdowns/interceptions are impressive/

milkman · 10-05-2013, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I like Bradshaw, but FA did not exist back then. He played with the same weapons. That whole team was dominant.

The teams of that era all had the same advantage of holding their players for as long asthey wanted them.

The Steeler/Raider and Steeler/Cowboy rivalries were born in that era.

Bradsahaw could, and did, put those Steelers on his shoulders when he needed to.

He outdueled Roger Staubaugh in what is still, in my mind, the best SB ever.

Bradshaw is the most underrated QB ever.

milkman · 10-05-2013, 04:21 PM

I shudder to think what Johnny Unitas would do in today's NFL.

10-03-2013, 10:37 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1664088	Late Night Bullshit: best leaguewide QB situation ever? Is this the best depth of quality at the quarterback position ever? We have veteran probable hall of famers starting all over the place that are still arguably in their prime and playing at amazing levels. Tom Brady Peyton Manning Drew Brees Aaron Rodgers We have a second tier of passers that have displayed elite ability and are still in the prime years that could all play themselves into HOF talks if they have a couple more good years. Matt Ryan Eli Manning Ben Rothlisberger Jay Cutler Phillip Rivers Joe Flacco We have an amazing amount of young and extremely talented quarterbacks in their first handful or less of NFL time that have shown the ability to step up into the higher groups, if they aren't already there. Russel Wilson Robert Griffin III Colin Kaepernick Andrew Luck Ryan Tanehill Jake Locker Andy Dalton Matt Stafford We have a group of solid quarterbacks that any one of them could break out Alex Smith Matt Shaub Sam Bradford Mike Vick Tony Romo Cam Newton I grew up in the Marino, Montana, Aikman, Cunningham, Elway, Kelly era and I think this group of quarterbacks -leaguewide- is as good as any era that I've seen.
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10-05-2013, 11:17 AM	#62
lcarus Everybody Lies. Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Casino cash: $1629928	I'm not a college scout or anything, but it seems there may be a few MORE QBs entering the league next year that have potential to be very good or even elite.
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ThaVirus You gotta kill a few people Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $1852369	Drew Brees is a sure thing. He has the stats and holds a shit ton of records. His resume is really ****ing impressive.
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milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	I shudder to think what Johnny Unitas would do in today's NFL. __________________
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