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**Tribal Warfare** · 09-14-2012, 05:36 PM

Baldwin may be bigger part of game plan Sunday
By RANDY COVITZ
The Kansas City Star
Chiefs wide receiver Jon Baldwin could be a bigger part of the game plan on Sunday at Buffalo, said offensive coordinator Brian Daboll.

Baldwin, who was a standout during training camp, saw limited action in last week’s season opening loss to Atlanta and was not the target of any passes. Daboll said Atlanta’s two-deep zones were more favorable for throwing to the tight ends in the middle of the field as opposed to throwing to wide receivers on the sidelines.

“Each week is a different week with different defenses that guys face,” Daboll said. “Sometimes there are spots in the middle of the field that we’re working a little bit. The tight ends had some passes; (slot receiver) Dexter McCluster had some passes.”

Indeed, McCluster caught a team-leading six passes; tight end Tony Moeaki had three; and tight end Kevin Boss had two catches, including a 22-yard touchdown on a post pattern.

“Sometimes there’s more single (safety coverage) where you work outside,” Daboll said. “You don’t want to force issues. There are different formations you can use to move around guys. We were in a little bit no huddle and going fairly quick.

“Jon has had a positive attitude throughout camp. He had a positive attitude after this game. We’ll see what happens this week.”

Daboll returns home

Chiefs offensive coordinator Brian Daboll was born across the border from Buffalo in Welland, Ontario, but grew up in Buffalo, attended St. Francis High School in Buffalo and started for two seasons at safety at nearby University of Rochester.

Best of all, as an assistant at New England (2001-06), New York Jets (2007-08), Cleveland (2009-10) and Miami (2011), his teams are 8-3 in games at Buffalo.

“It’s good to go home,” Daboll said. “But we’re going there for a reason.”

As a teenager, Daboll was a big fan of the Bills’ four Super Bowl teams during 1990-1993.

“Those were some fun years when the team was winning,” Daboll said. “They had good support. I have fond memories from back in the day when I was a youngster.”

Pioli appointed to council

Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli is one of 13 appointees by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to the Bill Walsh NFL Minority Coaching Fellowship Advisory Council. The concept was introduced by the late Bill Walsh to expose minority college coaches to the NFL’s methods and philosophies.

The 13-member council comprised of club presidents, general managers, head coaches and assistant coaches will focus on developing a pipeline of minority coaches, including former NFL players pursuing opportunities in the coaching profession.

“It is imperative we continue to create opportunities, not only in coaching but in every other aspect of the league,” Pioli said. “This fellowship program is important as long as we continue to teach and mentor individuals with one basic premise in mind, to educate.”

Draughn fined

Chiefs running back Shaun Draughn was fined $7,875 for unnecessary roughness against Atlanta during Sunday’s loss at Arrowhead Stadium. Draughn got into a pushing match with Atlanta’s Christopher Owens in the fourth quarter.

Bills’ Dareus ‘focused’

Buffalo defensive tackle Marcell Dareus, who missed one day of practice to be with his family in Alabama after the murder of his younger brother in a triple shooting last weekend, will play on Sunday against the Chiefs.

“I got caught up with everything and got acclimated with the game plan,” Dareus told reporters in Buffalo. “I am focused. I know I have a lot of things going on off the field, but I am here and ready to play. I have 60-more brothers here and ready to support me as well.”

Injury update

The Chiefs said nose tackle Anthony Toribio (ankle), safety Kendrick Lewis (shoulder), and defensive lineman Allen Bailey (ankle) were limited in practice on Friday, while wide receiver Devon Wylie (hamstring) did not practice. It’s doubtful any of them will be available on Sunday.

Hammock Parties · 09-15-2012, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

He's made a solid career out of being a #3 receiver but he offers nothing over Baldwin.

Apparently he does.

Baldwin is that bad.

Hammock Parties · 09-15-2012, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Think you need to listen to yourself.

Dexter player 2 seasons under Haley, a guy that had no clue wtf he was doing. Daboll comes in and now McCluster looks like the best receiver on the team. He was talked up all offseason. Then came preseason... Then came game 1...

Yeah, Haley had no clue about WRs.

Chief Roundup · 09-15-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

How in the hell is he possibly better suited to Kasl?

He is bigger, taller, just as fast, stronger, heavier, can jump higher, is heavier. The only thing that Breaston beats him at is experience and Baldwin isn't going to get any sitting on the bench.

What does Breaston offer, physically, that Baldwin doesn't?

I am not trying to say that I know this is what it is but I think it truly has more to do with Cassel.
Baldwin is more like Randy Moss. It takes Baldwin a little longer to get up to speed. Randy's numbers dropped from 98 receptions to 68 when Cassel had to step in for Brady.
Breaston is a lot "quicker" than Baldwin so he can get open in less space. Remember Cassel needs a bigger window to throw the ball into. Cassel since he has been with the Chiefs has never been one to "throw it up" to Bowe or anyone else. So it is going against what Cassel is good at or is comfortable doing to have Baldwin in the #2 spot compared to Breaston.

jd1020 · 09-15-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Yeah, Haley had no clue about WRs.

Pretty sure he was using McCluster as a RB. I could be wrong, though.

jd1020 · 09-15-2012, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I am not trying to say that I know this is what it is but I think it truly has more to do with Cassel.
Baldwin is more like Randy Moss. It takes Baldwin a little longer to get up to speed. Randy's numbers dropped from 98 receptions to 68 when Cassel had to step in for Brady.
Breaston is a lot "quicker" than Baldwin so he can get open in less space. Remember Cassel needs a bigger window to throw the ball into. Cassel since he has been with the Chiefs has never been one to "throw it up" to Bowe or anyone else. So it is going against what Cassel is good at or is comfortable doing to have Baldwin in the #2 spot compared to Breaston.

Baldwin is nothing like Randy Moss. They have similar builds but Randy Moss runs a 4.3. Baldwin runs a 4.5.

Hammock Parties · 09-15-2012, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Pretty sure he was using McCluster as a RB. I could be wrong, though.

We drafted Baldwin and brought in Breaston.

They probably thought Baldwin might be good.

Oops.

jd1020 · 09-15-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

We drafted Baldwin and brought in Breaston.

They probably thought Baldwin might be good.

Oops.

Because he's had an opportunity to prove he's bad...

**pr_capone** · 09-15-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

It takes Baldwin a little longer to get up to speed. Breaston is a lot "quicker" than Baldwin so he can get open in less space.

Nope.

Baldwin:
40 Yrd Dash: 4.49
20 Yrd Dash: 2.57
10 Yrd Dash: 1.58
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.34
3-Cone Drill: 7.07

Breaston:
40 Yrd Dash: 4.46
20 Yrd Dash: 2.56
10 Yrd Dash: 1.49
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.29
3-Cone Drill: 6.90

If anything... Baldwin, physically, lends himself more to Cassel in that he can fight to go get the poorly thrown ball. Breaston can as well but he isn't built physically to do so.

Chief Roundup · 09-15-2012, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Baldwin is nothing like Randy Moss. They have similar builds but Randy Moss runs a 4.3. Baldwin runs a 4.5.

Right, but they are both the "deep threat" for the teams that Cassel has been on and they are both tall guys that you should be able to go get the ball. And it takes either of them longer to get up to speed than it does Breaston.

jd1020 · 09-15-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Right, but they are both the "deep threat" for the teams that Cassel has been on and they are both tall guys that you should be able to go get the ball. And it takes either of them longer to get up to speed than it does Breaston.

Why do you keep pinning Baldwin as solely a "deep threat?"

Chief Roundup · 09-15-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

Nope.

Baldwin:
40 Yrd Dash: 4.49
20 Yrd Dash: 2.57
10 Yrd Dash: 1.58
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.34
3-Cone Drill: 7.07

Breaston:
40 Yrd Dash: 4.46
20 Yrd Dash: 2.56
10 Yrd Dash: 1.49
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.29
3-Cone Drill: 6.90

Suprised by those numbers

Hammock Parties · 09-15-2012, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Because he's had an opportunity to prove he's bad...

According to the all-knowing Chiefs' brass, yes.

Baldwin sucks, or the Chiefs talent evaluators suck.

Pick one. There is no in between.

jd1020 · 09-15-2012, 08:48 PM

When I think of a deep threat receiver I think of someone like Desean Jackson, Mike Wallace, Torrey Smith... not Jonathan Baldwin.

jd1020 · 09-15-2012, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

According to the all-knowing Chiefs' brass, yes.

Baldwin sucks, or the Chiefs talent evaluators suck.

Pick one. There is no in between.

The same Chiefs brass that were tooting his horn in the offseason and after 1 regular season game are saying they are going to increase his role?

When did Breaston get his 2 catches? Were they both in garbage time?

Nightfyre · 09-15-2012, 08:51 PM

I've been saying this since we drafted Baldwin: He has Fitz upside. He needs to develop in order to reach it. He has terrific athleticism, hands and body control. He needs to run better routes and get off the press.

09-14-2012, 05:36 PM
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