I've come to terms with the decision and I am glad Damon Huard is starting... - Page 11

htismaqe · 08-27-2007, 08:00 AM

Damon Huard is a stop gap QB with no upside.

Herman Edwards is a stop gap HC with no upside.

The less time Croyle plays now, the more he has left in the tank when Edwards and Peterson are gone.

Extra Point · 08-27-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

When Herm says he gives us the best chance to "win", he actually means that Damon Huard gives us the best chance "not to lose".

Herm-etically sealing the deal!

htismaqe · 08-27-2007, 11:49 AM

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No philosophy required. Just football basics.
FWIW, I'm on the Jeff Terrell bandwagon!

Of course, you're smarter than us. We forgot that, so thanks for reminding us.

And yes, we know you like Jeff Terrell. It wouldn't be the offseason if there wasn't a ridiculous "Start X undrafted free agent that will never play a meaningful down in the NFL" bandwagon...

KCJohnny · 08-27-2007, 11:51 AM

I'm not getting my hopes up, but there's a reason Carl drafted Bowe #1 - hopefully not for his blocking ability. I'm serious, if Solari can find a way to get Kris Wilson more involved, this O might not be as bland as we think. If KW is a threat, EK and Bowe are on the FL/SE positions, and Tony Gonzales ALWAYS demands attention, who do you cover? Huard is not exactly being set up for failure with the NFL's best RB/TE combo. If Solari can figure out how to stretch the field (or optimize play action opportunities), this offense can be very competitive.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-27-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Look at the big picture:

1. Several vets on this team are up in age and represent a legitimate "win now" posture: Gonzales, Waters, Dunn, Donnie Edwards, Surtain, Law, Kennison, etc.. To rebuild behind a young QB is probably a squandering of their substantial (and diminishing with age) talent;

I'm sorry Johnny, no disrespect meant, but I think you're wrong here.

Every one of the players you mentioned, with the possible exception of Dunn, have anywhere from 2-5 years left.

Starting Croyle THIS year SAVES them a year on their career. Sure there would be growing pains THIS year, but we're not going to the SB REGARDLESS. We're likely not even making the PLAYOFFS this year, regardless of QB.

Do you think Gonzalez thinks about 9-7 and a 1st round playoff loss? Hell no. He wants to win a championship. That IS NOT going to happen under Huard.

Playing Brodie NOW, while probably sacrificing this season, (anything short of SB is a sacrificed season to Vets who don't have a ring) put these guys in a BETTER position to have the POSSIBILITY of playing in a big game 3-5 years later, and go out on top.

Playing Huard this year, followed by the possible and likely growing pains of a young QB in 2008, will likely only lead to most, if not all of the guys you mentioned RETIRING EARLY.

I'm NOT saying Croyle will lead us to a SB, or even an AFC Championship game.

But I, and I think most realistic fans KNOW that Huard WILL NOT.

htismaqe · 08-27-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I'm not getting my hopes up, but there's a reason Carl drafted Bowe #1 - hopefully not for his blocking ability. I'm serious, if Solari can find a way to get Kris Wilson more involved, this O might not be as bland as we think. If KW is a threat, EK and Bowe are on the FL/SE positions, and Tony Gonzales ALWAYS demands attention, who do you cover? Huard is not exactly being set up for failure with the NFL's best RB/TE combo. If Solari can figure out how to stretch the field (or optimize play action opportunities, this offense can be very competitive.

Stretching the field is risky. That's not the type of game Herm wants to play.

They absolutely drafted Bowe for his blocking ability.

MGRS13 · 08-27-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I'm not getting my hopes up, but there's a reason Carl drafted Bowe #1 - hopefully not for his blocking ability. I'm serious, if Solari can find a way to get Kris Wilson more involved, this O might not be as bland as we think. If KW is a threat, EK and Bowe are on the FL/SE positions, and Tony Gonzales ALWAYS demands attention, who do you cover? Huard is not exactly being set up for failure with the NFL's best RB/TE combo. If Solari can figure out how to stretch the field (or optimize play action opportunities), this offense can be very competitive.

If you can't cover them, which minus Gonzo for the most part you can, you just send the house. The line will never hold up long enough for Huard to do anything but tuck the ball or throw it away.

KCJohnny · 08-27-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm sorry Johnny, no disrespect meant, but I think you're wrong here.

Every one of the players you mentioned, with the possible exception of Dunn, have anywhere from 2-5 years left.

Starting Croyle THIS year SAVES them a year on their career. Sure there would be growing pains THIS year, but we're not going to the SB REGARDLESS. We're likely not even making the PLAYOFFS this year, regardless of QB.

Do you think Gonzalez thinks about 9-7 and a 1st round playoff loss? Hell no. He wants to win a championship. That IS NOT going to happen under Huard.

Playing Brodie NOW, while probably sacrificing this season, (anything short of SB is a sacrificed season, IMO) put these guys in a BETTER position to have the POSSIBILITY of playing in a big game 3-5 years later, and go out on top.

Playing Huard this year, followed by the possible and likely growing pains of a young QB in 2008, will likely only lead to most, if not all of the guys you mentioned RETIRING EARLY.

I'm NOT saying Croyle will lead us to a SB, or even an AFC Championship game.

But I, and I think most realistic fans KNOW that Huard WON'T.

Hey man - makes sense to me. I understand where you are coming from. I don't share the opinion that Huard is not a SB-caliber QB. In 8 starts last year he guided the team to 5-3 and was the 2nd highest rated passer behind Peyton Manning. And that was with I-65 allowing trucks to drive into the pocket. I am betting we'll see a lot more Wilson, Bowe getting touches, Michael Bennett getting some bursts in relief of LJ, and Larry with another 1,000 yd season. Huard is reliable - I think the consensus is that he will not lose games for us - but I believe he played on a leash last year as Solari couldn't begin to grasp Al Saunders' graduate-level playbook. A full playbook, a few offensive weapons and one of the leagues best RBs will help immensely. So will having a defense that allows 18 ppg or less. Huard will not need to score 30+ ppg as the Vermiel Chiefs did - who finished at .500 with 1 playoff appearance in 5 years.

htismaqe · 08-27-2007, 12:02 PM

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Hey man - makes sense to me. I understand where you are coming from. I don't share the opinion that Huard is not a SB-caliber QB. In 8 starts last year he guided the team to 5-3 and was the 2nd highest rated passer behind Peyton Manning. And that was with I-65 allowing trucks to drive into the pocket. I am betting we'll see a lot more Wilson, Bowe getting touches, Michael Bennett getting some bursts in relief of LJ, and Larry with another 1,000 yd season. Huard is reliable - I think the consensus is that he will not lose games for us - but I believe he played on a leash last year as Solari couldn't begin to grasp Al Saunders' graduate-level playbook. A full playbook, a few offensive weapons and one of the leagues best RBs will help immensely. So will having a defense that allows 18 ppg or less. Huard will not need to score 30+ ppg as the Vermiel Chiefs did - who finished at .500 with 1 playoff appearance in 5 years.

5-3, a .625 winning percentage, just like 10-6.

That's not Super Bowl caliber. That's 1-and-done in the playoffs caliber.

Solari designed the rushing package under Saunders. He knows that offense as good as anybody out there.

The "leash" as you put it was a combination of Huard and Herm. The difference in playcalling when Huard was in the game was plainly visible.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-27-2007, 12:03 PM

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5-3, a .625 winning percentage, just like 10-6.

That's not Super Bowl caliber. That's 1-and-done in the playoffs caliber.

Solari designed the rushing package under Saunders. He knows that offense as good as anybody out there.

The "leash" as you put it was a combination of Huard and Herm. The difference in playcalling when Huard was in the game was plainly visible.

I'm glad you tackled that one.

Just reading it made me tired all over.

FAX · 08-27-2007, 12:16 PM

I know that pre-season is meaningless and we're not supposed to get things twisted, but this is enough to put a kinko in the cocko.

Chiefs Pre-Season Offensive Rankings

PTS - 9.7 (32nd)
YDS - 212.7 (31st)
PASS YDS - 144.3 (30th)
RUSH YDS - 68.3 (29th)

http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascityc...istics?team=KC

FAX

RedThat · 08-27-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Better than what?

I think if you go back, you'll find that every time somebody says this is a 4-win team, I tell them they're an idiot.

But at the end of the day, this team may be better than people recognize, but that's still not good enough to get us where we NEED to go.

I think can understand what you're saying?

You basically mean, the Chiefs aren't good enough to go to the big dance?

Well, I can't say I disagree with you. But, I will say, they have the running game, the defense is shaping up to be a better defense. I think the Chiefs can play a solid defense, and possibly be a top 10 defense?

We went with Huard because we're concerned of not making mistakes.

Herm doesn't want to turn the ball over. Which is understandable. You turn the ball over you're going to lose games. I don't blame him for thinking that way, and in all honesty it makes a lot of sense.

*So, the Chiefs can run the ball, play defense, and possibly limit their turnovers to give them a chance to win games. Those are key elements to winning championships.

htismaqe · 08-27-2007, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

I think can understand what you're saying?

You basically mean, the Chiefs aren't good enough to go to the big dance?

Yep. That exactly what I mean.

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Originally Posted by RedBull

We went with Huard because we're concerned of not making mistakes.

Yep. Safe. Secure. Gutless.

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Herm doesn't want to turn the ball over. Which is understandable. You turn the ball over you're going to lose games. I don't blame him for thinking that way, and in all honesty it makes a lot of sense.

You also lose games if the opponent scores 14 points and you score 3. Huard doesn't make many mistakes, we established that. He also doesn't make any BIG PLAYS, which you have to make if you want to win in the postseason. Ball control and defense will only take you so far.

This team doesn't want to win in the postseason, that's the problem. The Hunts make plenty of money going .500 every year.

HonestChieffan · 08-27-2007, 12:21 PM

We need to trust Herm.

htismaqe · 08-27-2007, 12:24 PM

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We need to trust Herm.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-27-2007, 12:28 PM

All Herm is doing by starting Huard over Croyle is protecting Croyle.

It's clearly obvious that Croyle isn't ready to lead the Chiefs into the regular season, growing pains or not. He's erratic and makes errant throwing decisions.

Starting Croyle at Houston and Chicago would be like throwing him to the wolves, especially considering the weak offensive line play of the Chiefs. The Houston defensive line will be among the best in the league and we're all familiar with Chicago's excellent defense. It could be career suicide to start Croyle at this point in time.

That said, I think it's very likely that unless the team is 4-3 or 5-2 at the break, Croyle will take the reigns after the bye week.

08-27-2007, 08:00 AM
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	I've come to terms with the decision and I am glad Damon Huard is starting... Damon Huard is a stop gap QB with no upside. Herman Edwards is a stop gap HC with no upside. The less time Croyle plays now, the more he has left in the tank when Edwards and Peterson are gone.
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08-27-2007, 11:51 AM	#153
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	I'm not getting my hopes up, but there's a reason Carl drafted Bowe #1 - hopefully not for his blocking ability. I'm serious, if Solari can find a way to get Kris Wilson more involved, this O might not be as bland as we think. If KW is a threat, EK and Bowe are on the FL/SE positions, and Tony Gonzales ALWAYS demands attention, who do you cover? Huard is not exactly being set up for failure with the NFL's best RB/TE combo. If Solari can figure out how to stretch the field (or optimize play action opportunities), this offense can be very competitive. __________________
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08-27-2007, 12:16 PM	#160
FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	I know that pre-season is meaningless and we're not supposed to get things twisted, but this is enough to put a kinko in the cocko. Chiefs Pre-Season Offensive Rankings PTS - 9.7 (32nd) YDS - 212.7 (31st) PASS YDS - 144.3 (30th) RUSH YDS - 68.3 (29th) http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascityc...istics?team=KC FAX
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HonestChieffan Seeking the Truth daily Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the Country in MO Casino cash: $2244309	We need to trust Herm. __________________ “Make no mistake. If you try anything to raise the cost of vishessavatubs, I will veto it.” - Joe Biden, SOTU 2023
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08-27-2007, 12:28 PM	#165
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	All Herm is doing by starting Huard over Croyle is protecting Croyle. It's clearly obvious that Croyle isn't ready to lead the Chiefs into the regular season, growing pains or not. He's erratic and makes errant throwing decisions. Starting Croyle at Houston and Chicago would be like throwing him to the wolves, especially considering the weak offensive line play of the Chiefs. The Houston defensive line will be among the best in the league and we're all familiar with Chicago's excellent defense. It could be career suicide to start Croyle at this point in time. That said, I think it's very likely that unless the team is 4-3 or 5-2 at the break, Croyle will take the reigns after the bye week.
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