Chiefs Take a QB in the 1st round next year? - Page 11

Alphaman · 12-22-2008, 11:20 AM

Said Dolphins LB Akin Ayodele of Thigpen, who finished with 320 yards passing, “I like him. He’s an athletic quarterback. Brodie Croyle is going to watch his back next year. There’s going to be a battle for the starting position.”

When the opposition starts to give your young QB props, you have to a moment to really consider if you need to look for his replacement. I'd really try to get Rich Gannon to come in this offseason as a consultant and work with Thigpen for a few weeks. I'd ask him to go over film and work with him on the field to work through the nuances of the game, particularly executing the boot which Thigpen hasn't mastered yet.

milkman · 12-23-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Braincase

We have so many more needs in so many areas. The offense isn't really the proble. We need a better pass rush - that is the one thing that will improve the play of our secondary. Hali isn't a bad second choice, but we need a franchise DE, and I'm convinced Orakpo is the guy we need. Take the best OL/LB available in the second round. Grab Chase Daniel in the 3rd (I think he'll still be there, and in as much as I'm a Jayhawk, he's a helluva competitor).

All of this speculation is pretty premature until we see if the Chiefs make any moves in the offseason going after free agents. For all I know, Herm gets canned and the new GM and Coach become serious players during the free agency period. I have my doubts, as everything Clark seems to be saying reinforces my belief that Clark is going to keep Herm around for another year.

Chase Daniel is a helluva a competitor, and he'd make a great QB in the land of Oz for the Munchkins.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-23-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Chase Daniel is a helluva a competitor, and he'd make a great QB in the land of Oz for the Munchkins.

We dropped out of the NFL and went "Arena"?

Reerun_KC · 12-23-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Chase Daniel is a helluva a competitor, and he'd make a great QB in the land of Oz for the Munchkins.

Unless there is pressure, then he folds like a chair... Dude threw pick after pick during the second half of the season... Hell he couldnt even beat the Jayhawks...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-23-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Unless there is pressure, then he folds like a chair... Dude threw pick after pick during the second half of the season... Hell he couldnt even beat the Jayhawks...

And that ALONE is reason for "kick ass to the curb" in my book.

Pinkel too. If you can't beat Pasta The Hutt and his Short-Bus Ewoks; get the **** OUTTA' MY HOUSE!

RINGLEADER · 12-23-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Priest4Prez

Nobody wants to waste a No. 2 pick in the 1st round on a WR, but we need to trade down and get a few mid first round players to fill gaps on the OL, DL, and get that third threat at WR

I'd be okay with that too -- those big trades never seem to happen anymore though...

RINGLEADER · 12-23-2008, 10:27 PM

I'd keep Thigpen and the spread (and Gailey). This offense and Thigpen are good enough to win with an average defense. With more time hopefully he gets better. If he doesn't then you pick up a QB in 2010.

HIChief · 12-23-2008, 11:04 PM

Does anybody know what the success rate of 1st round QB's is? I mean, some of the best QB's in the league are deep round picks, or even undrafted. The Chiefs will have much better return on the 1st pick investment if they target a freak LB, DE, or DT, then pick up a QB in the 3rd or 4th round.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-23-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by HIChief

Does anybody know what the success rate of 1st round QB's is? I mean, some of the best QB's in the league are deep round picks, or even undrafted. The Chiefs will have much better return on the 1st pick investment if they target a freak LB, DE, or DT, then pick up a QB in the 3rd or 4th round.

I was wondering how many Heisman winners turn out to be busts in the NFL myself...

Ricky Williams comes to mind.

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-23-2008, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

This offense and Thigpen are good enough to win

Which is the problem, Thigpen is good enought to win some with this gimmick but won't make it any farther than the regular season or a 1st round shutdown loss.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-23-2008, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

I'd keep Thigpen and the spread (and Gailey). This offense and Thigpen are good enough to win with an average defense. With more time hopefully he gets better. If he doesn't then you pick up a QB in 2010.

ChiefsCountry · 12-24-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HIChief

Does anybody know what the success rate of 1st round QB's is? I mean, some of the best QB's in the league are deep round picks, or even undrafted. The Chiefs will have much better return on the 1st pick investment if they target a freak LB, DE, or DT, then pick up a QB in the 3rd or 4th round.

Since 1970, 70% of the top 5 picks that were QB's have made the Pro Bowl. Most of the recent busts have came from two draft classes.

Also 57% of the Super Bowls have been won by first round QB's. That number increases to 70% if you factor in Joe Montana and Tom Brady. Also majority of those non-first round quarterbacks winners were Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Roger Staubuch (who would have went #1 if werent for Vietnam) and Bart Starr. So you want a 3rd round QB? Joe Montana aside, its just Jeff Hostler who has won a Super Bowl.

So what is the better investment now?

BigChiefFan · 12-24-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Which is the problem, Thigpen is good enought to win some with this gimmick but won't make it any farther than the regular season or a 1st round shutdown loss.

Agreed, we now have our quality BACK-UP. Anybody that thinks you can run the spread 100% of the time and be successful is fooling themselves.

12-22-2008, 11:20 AM
Alphaman Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Austin, TX, USA Casino cash: $10004900	Take a QB in the 1st round next year? Said Dolphins LB Akin Ayodele of Thigpen, who finished with 320 yards passing, “I like him. He’s an athletic quarterback. Brodie Croyle is going to watch his back next year. There’s going to be a battle for the starting position.” When the opposition starts to give your young QB props, you have to a moment to really consider if you need to look for his replacement. I'd really try to get Rich Gannon to come in this offseason as a consultant and work with Thigpen for a few weeks. I'd ask him to go over film and work with him on the field to work through the nuances of the game, particularly executing the boot which Thigpen hasn't mastered yet.
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RINGLEADER In Search of a Life Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Confusion, USA Casino cash: $8590503	I'd keep Thigpen and the spread (and Gailey). This offense and Thigpen are good enough to win with an average defense. With more time hopefully he gets better. If he doesn't then you pick up a QB in 2010.
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12-23-2008, 11:04 PM	#157
HIChief Since '70 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hawaii Casino cash: $10004997	Does anybody know what the success rate of 1st round QB's is? I mean, some of the best QB's in the league are deep round picks, or even undrafted. The Chiefs will have much better return on the 1st pick investment if they target a freak LB, DE, or DT, then pick up a QB in the 3rd or 4th round.
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