Does Alex Smith deserve a extension after this season?

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

I will try and divert my QB concerns to who the hell will be #2 and #3. Anything else is truely wasted time, IMO.

[Dunerdr]

Only if an extension saves us money to lock up other players like h-town.

[Strongside]

I began the season with, not a hatred of the move, but a firm dislike. The guy has won me over. He hasn't done so because he's lighting up the scoreboard and putting up an insane qb rating...he's done so because of his nonchalant, straight-to-business demeanor. He's effective enough for our team to win games. Not only that, but I think he's shown that he can be effective in the passing game when throwing the ball downfield over the past month.

[Eleazar]

We aren't going to be in draft position, nor is there really an obvious prospect anyway, in the 2014 draft. So we're looking at the 2015 draft for a 1st round QB if Alex Smith isn't playing at a high level, and then maybe 2016 before that new QB would/should starting.

There's no reason why we can't sign Alex Smith to something cap-friendly that runs through 2016.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Cochise

We aren't going to be in draft position, nor is there really an obvious prospect anyway, in the 2014 draft. So we're looking at the 2015 draft for a 1st round QB if Alex Smith isn't playing at a high level, and then maybe 2016 before that new QB would/should starting.

There's no reason why we can't sign Alex Smith to something cap-friendly that runs through 2016.

I'm sure you're exactly right about what they'll do in the draft in 2014. That's part for the course for KC...

I posted this earlier this year. Hopefully, someday it will no longer apply.

Step 1: Acquire another team's backup QB to be your new starter. Point to his potential and ability to be a leader and keep the team in games. Ignore his inability to WIN games.

Step 2: With 1st-round pick, insist there is no QB worthy of that high pick and that it is best to wait until later in the draft and get a similar QB at better value.
- 2A: After all worthwhile QBs go off the board between 1st and 2nd round picks, again point to value and draft BPA.
- 2B: Continue 2A until drafting a Ricky Stanzi/Pat Barnes in Round 5 or later

Step 3: Say you will wait until next year to draft a QB in the 1st and develop a franchise guy.

Step 4: Slog to somewhere between 7-10 wins and talk up how "competitive" your season was and how "close" the team is.

Step 5: When next year comes, watch in feigned dismay as all the "good" QBs go off the board before your pick. Sigh, sell "BPA available" and draft for that, saying "We're too close to winning something big to reach on a QB at this pick. Other needs must be addressed. We'll get a similar QB later at a better value."
- Step 5a: Again watch in dismay as no similar QBs are available by the next pick. Again draft BPA.
- Step 5B: Rinse and repeat 5A until eventually arriving at 2B.

Step 6: Talk up previously acquired backup QB, now-starter and how much talent you've added in the draft around him. Reference "weapons" and "chunks."

Step 7: Repeat Steps 5-6 for 2-3 more years, then reset at Step 1.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'm sure you're exactly right about what they'll do in the draft in 2014. That's part for the course for KC...

I posted this earlier this year. Hopefully, someday it will no longer apply.

Step 1: Acquire another team's backup QB to be your new starter. Point to his potential and ability to be a leader and keep the team in games. Ignore his inability to WIN games.

Step 2: With 1st-round pick, insist there is no QB worthy of that high pick and that it is best to wait until later in the draft and get a similar QB at better value.
- 2A: After all worthwhile QBs go off the board between 1st and 2nd round picks, again point to value and draft BPA.
- 2B: Continue 2A until drafting a Ricky Stanzi/Pat Barnes in Round 5 or later

Step 3: Say you will wait until next year to draft a QB in the 1st and develop a franchise guy.

Step 4: Slog to somewhere between 7-10 wins and talk up how "competitive" your season was and how "close" the team is.

Step 5: When next year comes, watch in feigned dismay as all the "good" QBs go off the board before your pick. Sigh, sell "BPA available" and draft for that, saying "We're too close to winning something big to reach on a QB at this pick. Other needs must be addressed. We'll get a similar QB later at a better value."
- Step 5a: Again watch in dismay as no similar QBs are available by the next pick. Again draft BPA.
- Step 5B: Rinse and repeat 5A until eventually arriving at 2B.

Step 6: Talk up previously acquired backup QB, now-starter and how much talent you've added in the draft around him. Reference "weapons" and "chunks."

Step 7: Repeat Steps 5-6 for 2-3 more years, then reset at Step 1.

Outstanding!

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'm sure you're exactly right about what they'll do in the draft in 2014. That's part for the course for KC...

I posted this earlier this year. Hopefully, someday it will no longer apply.

Step 1: Acquire another team's backup QB to be your new starter. Point to his potential and ability to be a leader and keep the team in games. Ignore his inability to WIN games.

Step 2: With 1st-round pick, insist there is no QB worthy of that high pick and that it is best to wait until later in the draft and get a similar QB at better value.
- 2A: After all worthwhile QBs go off the board between 1st and 2nd round picks, again point to value and draft BPA.
- 2B: Continue 2A until drafting a Ricky Stanzi/Pat Barnes in Round 5 or later

Step 3: Say you will wait until next year to draft a QB in the 1st and develop a franchise guy.

Step 4: Slog to somewhere between 7-10 wins and talk up how "competitive" your season was and how "close" the team is.

Step 5: When next year comes, watch in feigned dismay as all the "good" QBs go off the board before your pick. Sigh, sell "BPA available" and draft for that, saying "We're too close to winning something big to reach on a QB at this pick. Other needs must be addressed. We'll get a similar QB later at a better value."
- Step 5a: Again watch in dismay as no similar QBs are available by the next pick. Again draft BPA.
- Step 5B: Rinse and repeat 5A until eventually arriving at 2B.

Step 6: Talk up previously acquired backup QB, now-starter and how much talent you've added in the draft around him. Reference "weapons" and "chunks."

Step 7: Repeat Steps 5-6 for 2-3 more years, then reset at Step 1.

If the season ended today, we'd be drafting at #28 overall.

Whom would you suggest we pick and then turn the franchise over to in week 1 next year?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Cochise

If the season ended today, we'd be drafting at #28 overall.

Whom would you suggest we pick and then turn the franchise over to in week 1 next year?

I wouldn't suggest the Chiefs turn the franchise over to any drafted QB in Week 1. I think this thought that a first-round QB must start right away is kind of silly and short-sighted. If you can draft a guy that plays right away, awesome. If you can only draft a guy that needs to be groomed for a few years, that's fine, too.

I would guess the Chiefs end up drafting no lower than 24th (where they would slot with a first-round playoff loss, right?). Who knows how the QB class works out, but that might put them in position to take a QB who can be the guy down the road.

I'd suggest the Chiefs keep looking for other QB options and let Alex Smith play out the last year of his contract. Make the decision on the extension later, after next season. That gives you a better idea of what you have in Smith (And if Reid's tutelage can make him more than a middle-of-the-pack QB) and also a better idea of what you have brought in/what will be available to you in the 2015 draft.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Who knows how the QB class works out, but that might put them in position to take a QB who can be the guy down the road.

Right, so, you agree that there's no one who we'll be in a position to draft that can take the franchise over immediately.

So there's nothing wrong with extending Alex Smith for a couple years beyond next year, so we don't end up with a rookie and Daniel as our only options.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I would guess the Chiefs end up drafting no lower than 24th (where they would slot with a first-round playoff loss, right?). Who knows how the QB class works out, but that might put them in position to take a QB who can be the guy down the road.

So we're back to this shit again?

"Who cares if the guy sucks, it means are record will be bad and we'll get to draft another one!!!"

Or it means that we'd take Geno Smith and suck for another 5 years. And this is from someone that liked Geno.

How the hell can anyone, after experiencing the 3 years we just experienced, truly be in favor of falling back into that morass? Moreover, it's a shitload easier for us to say when it's not our careers that would waste away - tell that to Hali, Johnson, Flower and Charles - we owe it to those guys to field a competitive football team.

QBs like Wilson, Glennon and Foles are falling further in the draft and becoming more and more common. The idea that we should just keep throwing haymakers at the QB position and not give a shit if it leaves us winning 4 games/season until we finally get our guy (if we ever get our guy; many teams haven't) is just absurd.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'm sure you're exactly right about what they'll do in the draft in 2014. That's part for the course for KC...

I posted this earlier this year. Hopefully, someday it will no longer apply.

Step 1: Acquire another team's backup QB to be your new starter. Point to his potential and ability to be a leader and keep the team in games. Ignore his inability to WIN games.

Step 2: With 1st-round pick, insist there is no QB worthy of that high pick and that it is best to wait until later in the draft and get a similar QB at better value.
- 2A: After all worthwhile QBs go off the board between 1st and 2nd round picks, again point to value and draft BPA.
- 2B: Continue 2A until drafting a Ricky Stanzi/Pat Barnes in Round 5 or later

Step 3: Say you will wait until next year to draft a QB in the 1st and develop a franchise guy.

Step 4: Slog to somewhere between 7-10 wins and talk up how "competitive" your season was and how "close" the team is.

Step 5: When next year comes, watch in feigned dismay as all the "good" QBs go off the board before your pick. Sigh, sell "BPA available" and draft for that, saying "We're too close to winning something big to reach on a QB at this pick. Other needs must be addressed. We'll get a similar QB later at a better value."
- Step 5a: Again watch in dismay as no similar QBs are available by the next pick. Again draft BPA.
- Step 5B: Rinse and repeat 5A until eventually arriving at 2B.

Step 6: Talk up previously acquired backup QB, now-starter and how much talent you've added in the draft around him. Reference "weapons" and "chunks."

Step 7: Repeat Steps 5-6 for 2-3 more years, then reset at Step 1.

How does taking Zach Mettenberger and then waiting until the 3rd to address WR, DE or Safety help us win?

The Chiefs would be absolutely stupid to take a QB in the first round in 2014 and you know it. Quit being glib; it's beneath you.

The conversation is in regards to Alex Smith; the rest is noise. If you wait through his walk year to extend him, you're going to wait that much longer to get to your long-term option or you're going to have to let him walk. If he gets to his walk year, he's going to look for a deal that makes him uncuttable for at least 3 seasons and in an open market could probably demand one that got him 4. So now you're talking about being married to the guy for 2014-2018 seasons at the very least.

Alternatively, you approach him this off-season about an extension that is done while you have more leverage and you make it escapable after 3 seasons. At that point you're looking at having him through 2016 with what amount to options in 2017 and beyond.

And now you have time to legitimately address the QB situation rather than just reach for the QB highest on your board in the first this year and throw his ass to the wolves in 2015.

Hypothetical are easy - "Nah, I'll look elsewhere. No, I want an elite QB. FIRST ROUND QBS!!!!!" - reality often intervenes. Elsewhere is likely Josh McCown (you could insert Matt Flynn or Ryan Fitzpatrick in this sentence last season). Elite QBs are few and far between. First round QBs are great when you're in a good position to take them. The 2014 draft is extremely unlikely to present that possibility.

[HemiEd]

The problem with giving up the two 2nds, the first one almost being a 1st, is that you are committing long term to him at that time no matter the contract situation.

Does anyone really think they gave up those two picks with the intention of Alex Smith only being a Chief for two years? Really? Oh yeah, that's right they are going to draft a Qb first round.

Swampland for sale here, step right up!

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

The problem with giving up the two 2nds, the first one almost being a 1st, is that you are committing long term to him at that time no matter the contract situation.

Does anyone really think they gave up those two picks with the intention of Alex Smith only being a Chief for two years? Really? Oh yeah, that's right they are going to draft a Qb first round.

Swampland for sale here, step right up!

Think that? No. But if we're talking about "Should" and "Deserve" in this thread...

It's perfectly reasonable and logical to say you prefer they give an extension ONLY if Alex Smith proves he deserves it (and proves he CAN be a QB who LEADS a team to playoff wins).

Even a few guys who are big Smith defenders (Boss Chief, scott free) are on that bandwagon.

I am pretty sure about what's coming (drafting pieces around Alex, maybe taking a flyer on a guy in the middle or late rounds). Doesn't mean I have to like it or accept it.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Think that? No. But if we're talking about "Should" and "Deserve" in this thread...

It's perfectly reasonable and logical to say you prefer they give an extension ONLY if Alex Smith proves he deserves it (and proves he CAN be a QB who LEADS a team to playoff wins).

Even a few guys who are big Smith defenders (Boss Chief, scott free) are on that bandwagon.

I am pretty sure about what's coming (drafting pieces around Alex, maybe taking a flyer on a guy in the middle or late rounds). Doesn't mean I have to like it or accept it.

If you are a Chiefs fan you have to accept the fact that is what they are going to do, or you will be miserable. The evidence is very clear, the pattern is plain as day.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

If you are a Chiefs fan you have to accept the fact that is what they are going to do, or you will be miserable. The evidence is very clear, the pattern is plain as day.

Accept it -

As in jump on the bandwagon that it was the right thing to do.

I accept that is what is likely going to happen.