Chiefs Reid Draft Record is Nothing to Get Excited About - Page 6

Pin Head · 01-04-2013, 11:00 PM

Watch..Reid throws in a 7th for Matt Flynn.

FloridaMan88 · 01-04-2013, 11:07 PM

This is why John Dorsey's presence in KC will be important.

Tombstone RJ · 01-04-2013, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Shox

I recognize the Eagles have picked in the bottom third almost all the time, but if you look at this draft history there are really not very many standout names and few pro bowl players.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../phi/draft.htm

The first rounders are especially troubling. While several have been productive NFL players only one would really qualify as a stud. He loves to draft DT 4 in 12 years add in a couple of DE and 50% of the time the defensive front gets the first round pick.

2012 Fletcher Cox DT (TBD)
2011 Danny Watkins OL (TBD)
2010 Brandon Graham DE (TBD)
2009 Jeremy Maclin WR (???Maybe/Maybe not)
2008 no pick
2007 no pick
2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT (Hit with the Broncos otherwise bust)
2005 Mike Patterson DT (Hit)
2004 Shawn Andrews G (Hit)
2003 Jerome McDougle DE (Bust)
2002 Litto Sheppard DB (Hit)
2001 Freddie Mitchell WR (Bust)
2000 Cory Simon DT (Hit)
1999 McNabb (by far the cream of the crop)

Now I have to give Reid credit he seems to be able to get some big names in FA. I would say he overpays and many of the big name FA do not perform up to the level they should.

There is more to like than dislike with the Reid hire, but I remain very doubtful he will ever bring a SB championship to the Chiefs.

fyp

listopencil · 01-04-2013, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Shox

2012 Fletcher Cox DT (TBD)
2011 Danny Watkins OL (TBD)
2010 Brandon Graham DE (TBD)
2009 Jeremy Maclin WR (???Maybe/Maybe not)
2008 no pick
2007 no pick
2006 Brodrick Bunkley DT (Hit)
2005 Mike Patterson DT (Hit)
2004 Shawn Andrews G (Hit)
2003 Jerome McDougle DE (Bust)
2002 Litto Sheppard DB (Hit)
2001 Freddie Mitchell WR (Bust)
2000 Cory Simon DT (Hit)
1999 McNabb (by far the cream of the crop)

Two busts out of twelve picks and you think that's bad?

Mother****erJones · 01-04-2013, 11:15 PM

Someone lock away and throw away the key to this thread

FloridaMan88 · 01-04-2013, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shox

I recognize the Eagles have picked in the bottom third almost all the time, but if you look at this draft history there are really not very many standout names and few pro bowl players.

7 of the 10 first round picks you gave a "hit" grade to (excluding the 3 you gave a "TBD" to).

7 of 10 is a pretty good ratio.

Shox · 01-04-2013, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugh Janus

7 of the 10 first round picks you gave a "hit" grade to (excluding the 3 you gave a "TBD" to).

7 of 10 is a pretty good ratio.

Again as I stated in my original post. He has managed to draft some starting caliber players with his 1st rounders, but they are far from an impressive group. There are no stud players outside of McNabb in the group. You compare that to most of the other NFL teams and it is below average.

aturnis · 01-05-2013, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Shox

Again as I stated in my original post. He has managed to draft some starting caliber players with his 1st rounders, but they are far from an impressive group. There are no stud players outside of McNabb in the group. You compare that to most of the other NFL teams and it is below average.

I REALLY REALLY think you need to rethink your definition of AVERAGE.

Mother****erJones · 01-04-2013, 11:24 PM

Hugh Janus, change ur name to Hugh's Anus

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-05-2013, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life

Hugh Janus, change ur name to Hugh's Anus

Shut the **** up, n00b

tk13 · 01-04-2013, 11:43 PM

I can get that the list may not look the most impressive on paper.

That said, the part that makes this tough to argue is he took a team made up mostly of Philly draft picks to a Super Bowl, and within 3 points of a win. He was not Dan Snyder. Most of that Super Bowl team was filled with Eagles guys. Obviously he made the splash with TO and Kearse. Only 6 of their 22 starters that year were drafted by someone else, and among those, starting DT Darwin Walker had literally played one NFL game before coming to Philly. Plus TO broke his leg for the playoffs and Greg Lewis stepped in for him.

A couple of those guys were drafted before Reid got there, but pretty much the entire offense outside of TO and Runyan were originally Eagles. Same with the defense aside from Kearse, Simoneau and Dhani Jones at LB. He took those guys to a Super Bowl.

BradBigglestein · 01-04-2013, 11:44 PM

Andy Reid's drafting definitely left a lot to be desired. Talent evaluation in my opinion is a big weakness. He is better at drafting offense than defense. He has a very good eye for QBs and RBs. He is pretty awful at drafting defense. I might rank that his #1 overall weakness as a coach. If not #1 then in his top 3.

But there are few perfect coaches out there. This is one flaw, he has a lot of strengths. I'm trying to be as honest as possible. Talent evaluation is definitely a concern. No question.

slimdagreat · 01-04-2013, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BradBigglestein

Andy Reid's drafting definitely left a lot to be desired. Talent evaluation in my opinion is a big weakness. He is better at drafting offense than defense. He has a very good eye for QBs and RBs. He is pretty awful at drafting defense. I might rank that his #1 overall weakness as a coach. If not #1 then in his top 3.

But there are few perfect coaches out there. This is one flaw, he has a lot of strengths. I'm trying to be as honest as possible. Talent evaluation is definitely a concern. No question.

Reid has drafted 10 pro bowlers and 5 of them were on defense.

WildTurkey · 01-04-2013, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BradBigglestein

Andy Reid's drafting definitely left a lot to be desired. Talent evaluation in my opinion is a big weakness. He is better at drafting offense than defense. He has a very good eye for QBs and RBs. He is pretty awful at drafting defense. I might rank that his #1 overall weakness as a coach. If not #1 then in his top 3.

But there are few perfect coaches out there. This is one flaw, he has a lot of strengths. I'm trying to be as honest as possible. Talent evaluation is definitely a concern. No question.

I think he understands this weakness. IMO it's why he's trying to bring Tom Dorsey from Green Bay into the fold

BradBigglestein · 01-04-2013, 11:53 PM

I don't know if Pro Bowls are the be all end all of evaluation, but if you want me to, I can name you all the draft picks that went horribly wrong on defense over the years. It is a big reason why the team had to resort to that ridiculous spending spree a couple years ago. So many defensive draft picks didn't work out and they needed to fill roster spots.

The best Eagles defensive players in Reid's tenure were Trotter and Dawkins. Both Ray Rhodes guys. Trent Cole was Reid's best defensive draft pick. A 5th rounder.

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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1852500	I can get that the list may not look the most impressive on paper. That said, the part that makes this tough to argue is he took a team made up mostly of Philly draft picks to a Super Bowl, and within 3 points of a win. He was not Dan Snyder. Most of that Super Bowl team was filled with Eagles guys. Obviously he made the splash with TO and Kearse. Only 6 of their 22 starters that year were drafted by someone else, and among those, starting DT Darwin Walker had literally played one NFL game before coming to Philly. Plus TO broke his leg for the playoffs and Greg Lewis stepped in for him. A couple of those guys were drafted before Reid got there, but pretty much the entire offense outside of TO and Runyan were originally Eagles. Same with the defense aside from Kearse, Simoneau and Dhani Jones at LB. He took those guys to a Super Bowl.
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BradBigglestein Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $9995280	Andy Reid's drafting definitely left a lot to be desired. Talent evaluation in my opinion is a big weakness. He is better at drafting offense than defense. He has a very good eye for QBs and RBs. He is pretty awful at drafting defense. I might rank that his #1 overall weakness as a coach. If not #1 then in his top 3. But there are few perfect coaches out there. This is one flaw, he has a lot of strengths. I'm trying to be as honest as possible. Talent evaluation is definitely a concern. No question. __________________ Eagles fan.
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BradBigglestein Starter Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $9995280	I don't know if Pro Bowls are the be all end all of evaluation, but if you want me to, I can name you all the draft picks that went horribly wrong on defense over the years. It is a big reason why the team had to resort to that ridiculous spending spree a couple years ago. So many defensive draft picks didn't work out and they needed to fill roster spots. The best Eagles defensive players in Reid's tenure were Trotter and Dawkins. Both Ray Rhodes guys. Trent Cole was Reid's best defensive draft pick. A 5th rounder. __________________ Eagles fan.
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