Chiefs Petro's back on the "drafting a QB is going to fail" rant - Page 5

htismaqe · 10-25-2012, 09:19 AM

Basically saying again that the Chiefs should draft a 1st-round QB even though though history says it won't work.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-25-2012, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Probably wouldn't have hired Marty, or Carl for that matter.

Remember, this team got gutted in 1988. That likely wouldn't have happened with Marino at the helm.

Aye, now there's a good point.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-25-2012, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bricks

You know, it's sad when you see the little amount of success this franchise has had over the years. And also having to go through the embarrassing moments
of constantly watching teams walk on us left, right and center.

I think the children of KC do care but are like a lot of other Chiefs fans where they've developed a sense of apathy towards the team. That's just natural when you experience losing on a consistent basis.

It all starts with the QB. It has always been this way, and now it's even more so in today's league.

ChiefMojo · 10-25-2012, 11:13 AM

That is true. Up until the last few years you saw people wear Chiefs garb and flying flags all over the State of Kansas... now there are no Chiefs flags and very little Chiefs gear worn period. Sure seeing a lot more Denver wear.

Dayze · 10-25-2012, 11:14 AM

I posted this in another thread a while back. since thing, yet another 1st Rounder (Eli) has won 2 more.
Petro needs to look at the last 15 or so years.

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since 1990, there have been 6 teams that was won a SB with a QB they did not draft:
Ravens (Dilfer), Rams (Warner), Bucs (Johnson), Saints (Brees), Niners (Young), Packers (Favre). So, one 'could' argue they were Firsts. But for this comparison, we won't include them.

of those, Dilfer, Young were 1st Rd picks (Brees was 32 overall; Favre 33rd overall).

the other 14 Super Bowl winners that drafted a QB, only 2 were not 1st Round picks: Brady & Rypien.

So, of the last 20 SB winners, only 6 were not 1st Round picks. (If you argue that Brees and Farve were basically 1sts, then only 4 were not 1st round picks)

Chiefnj2 · 10-25-2012, 11:14 AM

Can't fail much worse than what has happened the last 20 years.

Chiefnj2 · 10-25-2012, 11:16 AM

Obviously Petro is just trolling for listeners.

Even if you miss on the QB you aren't worse off than if you don't try. The Jags missed and they have one win, just like the Chiefs. Big deal. Miami, Seattle and the Vikings all gambled a bit and they have better records than KC. The upside is just so much bigger than to try the washed up vet route.

**the Talking Can** · 10-25-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He's just acknowledging that, statistically speaking, we're not going to win a Super Bowl no matter what we do.

Sounds like a Chiefs fan, if you asked me.

but that goes without saying...the only reason to even say it is to be obnoxious

Dayze · 10-25-2012, 11:19 AM

this was a while a while back. I believe Sac was being sarcastic with his remark. the tone of the thread was to use 1sts on Skill players

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo
That's right. Good teams build around the skill positions. Outside in is the only way to do it. That's how all the top teams did it.

SB teams with 1st Round lineman (as of 2010 when this post was made)

Arizona - 1 OL taken in the 1st since 2000
New Orleans - 1 OL taken in the 1st since (no 1st rounders on SB winning team/offense)
Indy - no OL taken since 2000 (break down since 2000 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 DE, 1 TE, 1 CB)
Pitt - 2 OL taken in 1st since 1996 (Faneca '98 at #26, and Kendall Simmons in '02 at #30)
Giants - no OL taken in 1st 1988
Pats - 2 OL taken in 1st since 1999 (Center '99, and Mankins in 2005 at #32 overall)

Indy's use of their 1sts
Indy
2009 27 Donald Brown RB Connecticut
2008 No Pick --
2007 32 Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State
2006 30 Joseph Addai RB Louisiana State
2005 29 Marlin Jackson DB Michigan
2004 No Pick --
2003 24 Dallas Clark TE Iowa
2002 11 Dwight Freeney DE Syracuse
2001 30 Reggie Wayne WR Miami (Fla.)
2000 28 Rob Morris LB Brigham Young
1999 4 Edgerrin James RB Miami (Fla.)
1998 1 Peyton Manning QB Tennessee

Megbert · 10-25-2012, 11:24 AM

Well I'm convinced lets draft another lineman instead.

Woodchuck · 10-25-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Basically saying again that the Chiefs should draft a 1st-round QB even though though history says it won't work.

So what? That's how I feel. I expect this QB class to be weak as hell but I still want to draft one in the first round. He probably will be a bust but it's time to try. You have some ****ed up perceptions. I haven't heard him but, it sounds like Petro is trying to give the fans a big heaping helping dose of reality.

The whole Superbowl QB argument is a pile of crap anyway. Not to be like Jim Mora but, who the **** is talking Superbowl right now? We just need a guy who can win a playoff game. You want to do something smart?

Run the numbers on playoff winners. Find out what they have in common. Don't even look at the Superbowl BS. You are shooting for the moon.

htismaqe · 10-25-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

but that goes without saying...the only reason to even say it is to be obnoxious

Or defeatist.

Sometimes I get the impression he's headed for the latter...can you blame him? Some of us here have succumbed to it.

**Rausch** · 10-25-2012, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Can't fail much worse than what has happened the last 20 years.

This.

Take risks. Go for the QB.

The risk is GREATER trading for some b/u than it is using that pick on a 1st round QB...

Dayze · 10-25-2012, 11:28 AM

man, if we draft a QB and he sucks, we might become a losing team.

htismaqe · 10-25-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

So what? That's how I feel. I expect this QB class to be weak as hell but I still want to draft one in the first round. He probably will be a bust but it's time to try. You have some ****ed up perceptions. I haven't heard him but, it sounds like Petro is trying to give the fans a big heaping helping of reality.

What the **** do my perceptions have to do with anything?

I was merely repeating what he said, troll.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 10-25-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

So what? That's how I feel. I expect this QB class to be weak as hell but I still want to draft one in the first round. He probably will be a bust but it's time to try. You have some ****ed up perceptions. I haven't heard him but, it sounds like Petro is trying to give the fans a big heaping helping dose of reality.

The whole Superbowl QB argument is a pile of crap anyway. Not to be like Jim Mora but, who the **** is talking Superbowl right now? We just need a guy who can win a playoff game. You want to do something smart?

Run the numbers on playoff winners. Find out what they have in common. Don't even look at the Superbowl BS. You are shooting for the moon.

So let's draft an OT!/dumbass True Fan

10-25-2012, 09:19 AM
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10-25-2012, 11:13 AM	#63
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10-25-2012, 11:14 AM	#64
Dayze Resident Glue Sniffer Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $5169358	I posted this in another thread a while back. since thing, yet another 1st Rounder (Eli) has won 2 more. Petro needs to look at the last 15 or so years. ============================================== since 1990, there have been 6 teams that was won a SB with a QB they did not draft: Ravens (Dilfer), Rams (Warner), Bucs (Johnson), Saints (Brees), Niners (Young), Packers (Favre). So, one 'could' argue they were Firsts. But for this comparison, we won't include them. of those, Dilfer, Young were 1st Rd picks (Brees was 32 overall; Favre 33rd overall). the other 14 Super Bowl winners that drafted a QB, only 2 were not 1st Round picks: Brady & Rypien. So, of the last 20 SB winners, only 6 were not 1st Round picks. (If you argue that Brees and Farve were basically 1sts, then only 4 were not 1st round picks) __________________ Life is 99% inspiration, 1% Perspiration, and 1% Attention to Detial. RIP & Godspeed: Saccoppo Lonewolf Ed Fire Me Boy Last edited by Dayze; 10-25-2012 at 11:27 AM..
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10-25-2012, 11:16 AM	#66
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7873688	Obviously Petro is just trolling for listeners. Even if you miss on the QB you aren't worse off than if you don't try. The Jags missed and they have one win, just like the Chiefs. Big deal. Miami, Seattle and the Vikings all gambled a bit and they have better records than KC. The upside is just so much bigger than to try the washed up vet route. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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10-25-2012, 11:19 AM	#68
Dayze Resident Glue Sniffer Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $5169358	this was a while a while back. I believe Sac was being sarcastic with his remark. the tone of the thread was to use 1sts on Skill players Quote: Originally Posted by Saccopoo That's right. Good teams build around the skill positions. Outside in is the only way to do it. That's how all the top teams did it. SB teams with 1st Round lineman (as of 2010 when this post was made) Arizona - 1 OL taken in the 1st since 2000 New Orleans - 1 OL taken in the 1st since (no 1st rounders on SB winning team/offense) Indy - no OL taken since 2000 (break down since 2000 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 DE, 1 TE, 1 CB) Pitt - 2 OL taken in 1st since 1996 (Faneca '98 at #26, and Kendall Simmons in '02 at #30) Giants - no OL taken in 1st 1988 Pats - 2 OL taken in 1st since 1999 (Center '99, and Mankins in 2005 at #32 overall) Indy's use of their 1sts Indy 2009 27 Donald Brown RB Connecticut 2008 No Pick -- 2007 32 Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State 2006 30 Joseph Addai RB Louisiana State 2005 29 Marlin Jackson DB Michigan 2004 No Pick -- 2003 24 Dallas Clark TE Iowa 2002 11 Dwight Freeney DE Syracuse 2001 30 Reggie Wayne WR Miami (Fla.) 2000 28 Rob Morris LB Brigham Young 1999 4 Edgerrin James RB Miami (Fla.) 1998 1 Peyton Manning QB Tennessee __________________ Life is 99% inspiration, 1% Perspiration, and 1% Attention to Detial. RIP & Godspeed: Saccoppo Lonewolf Ed Fire Me Boy
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10-25-2012, 11:24 AM	#69
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10-25-2012, 11:28 AM	#73
Dayze Resident Glue Sniffer Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $5169358	man, if we draft a QB and he sucks, we might become a losing team. __________________ Life is 99% inspiration, 1% Perspiration, and 1% Attention to Detial. RIP & Godspeed: Saccoppo Lonewolf Ed Fire Me Boy
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