The "IF no QB with the 1st pick" poll

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Okay dipshit...

List them.

Oh, and while we are talking about your stupidity, your signature is a lie. I never said either of those two things. And I think Geno is a better passer than Griffin, not as good - better.

Nassib for starters.

And I would like to see who you'd take Geno over since you said he's one of the best prospects in the last 10 years.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Nassib for starters.

Nassib?!

Jesus Christ...

Okay, what qualities does Nassib have that puts him over the top of Geno?

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Nassib?!

Jesus Christ...

Okay, what qualities does Nassib have that puts him over the top of Geno?

Makes multiple reads almost every play, pro style experience with a fantastic coach who has developed him very well, makes the best decisions of any QB in this class, is very accurate in the short passes and he has the best deep ball of any QB in this class.

Edit: He also has a very good play fake and does the 3,5,7 step drop really well. Also has very good learning ability and a very good football IQ

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Makes multiple reads almost every play, pro style experience with a fantastic coach who has developed him very well, makes the best decisions of any QB in this class, is very accurate in the short passes and he has the best deep ball of any QB in this class.

WTF?

You are ****ing nuts dude.

I like Nassib as well, but he does struggle with his accuracy, goes to shit a lot when he's got to force a throw and his deep ball isn't anywhere close to guys like Smith, Bray, Manuel or Sorensen.

You bitched at Geno like crazy after the Pinstripe Bowl...did you happen to watch Nassib in that as well? Same weather conditions and he was going against the worst pass defense in college football. He stunk.

Here he is against a decent defense:

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

WTF?

You are ****ing nuts dude.

I like Nassib as well, but he does struggle with his accuracy, goes to shit a lot when he's got to force a throw and his deep ball isn't anywhere close to guys like Smith, Bray, Manuel or Sorensen.

You bitched at Geno like crazy after the Pinstripe Bowl...did you happen to watch Nassib in that as well? Same weather conditions and he was going against the worst pass defense in college football. He stunk.

Here he is against a decent defense:

From secondroundstats.com

Accuracy on balls thrown 20+ yards

Nassib-62.50% best of ANY QB in the draft
Geno-44.44%
Average QB-47.57%

Geno also threw into double coverage almost 3x as much as any of the QB's this year.

Hell he threw it into double coverage 4.55% to Nassib's 1.93%. That may have worked in college, but it won't in the NFL consistently. That's a guarantee.

Nassib only threw 2 INT's in his last 7 games. Pretty good endorsement.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Nassib for starters.

And I would like to see who you'd take Geno over since you said he's one of the best prospects in the last 10 years.

I'd take Geno over anyone whose come out in this century with the notable exception of Andrew Luck.

I think he's that good with that much of a ceiling. His ability to hit guys in stride deep while being covered is insane. I've never seen a guy do it with the regularity that Geno has done in his college career. As well, he's got an uncanny pocket presence and his release is damn near perfect. Add to that, he's a noted film room junkie.

Yeah, I think he's that good. I think he's got all the tools to be elite at the next level and with the hiring of Reid and having a running back like Charles and a young, talented offensive line, he's going to be put into a position to be successful sooner rather than later. It's the perfect storm so to speak and the Cheifs finally have the chance at a guy who has the ceiling and potential.

And everyone around here knows I'm a trenches type of guy. I don't get overly excited about QB's because most really aren't that good. I don't want them taking a QB just to take a QB. But Geno is different.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'd take Geno over anyone whose come out in this century with the notable exception of Andrew Luck.

I think he's that good with that much of a ceiling. His ability to hit guys in stride deep while being covered is insane. I've never seen a guy do it with the regularity that Geno has done in his college career. As well, he's got an uncanny pocket presence and his release is damn near perfect. Add to that, he's a noted film room junkie.

Yeah, I think he's that good. I think he's got all the tools to be elite at the next level and with the hiring of Reid and having a running back like Charles and a young, talented offensive line, he's going to be put into a position to be successful sooner rather than later. It's the perfect storm so to speak and the Cheifs finally have the chance at a guy who has the ceiling and potential.

And everyone around here knows I'm a trenches type of guy. I don't get overly excited about QB's because most really aren't that good. I don't want them taking a QB just to take a QB. But Geno is different.

Remember that one mother****er who was not necessarily RgIII-mobile...but was slinky enough to evade a collapsing pocket and create positive yardage 8 times ot of 10 against one of the best Chiefs defenses ever fielded? What was that horsefaced mother****ers name again? And more to the point...does that particular attribute seem familiar in a current prospet? If these peple think im off of my ****ing rocker...theyre not watching Smith play.
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[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'd take Geno over anyone whose come out in this century with the notable exception of Andrew Luck.

What?

You'd take Smith over Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton and RGIII?

I'm sorry but you're ****ing insane.

A guy that's rated somewhere around the 15-30th best football player in the 2013 draft?

The hyperbole surrounding Smith in this forum has reached an all-time high.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What?

You'd take Smith over Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton and RGIII?

Yep. All day long.

At the same stage, Smith is a more accurate and accomplished passer than any of these guys.

I'm sorry but you're ****ing insane.

Not really. I think he's that good or, at least, has that much in terms of potential. I've watched him a ton. He's got all the tools, experience, size, arm strength, work ethic, etc.

As well, you are living in a revisionist, hindsight world a bit.

Eli wasn't the end all be all and really benefitted from the family name more than anything. As well, up until that first Super Bowl/Playoff run, there were the rumors of him being a bust. Rivers hasn't done jack shit. Very accurate college passer (that KU/NCST bowl game was one of the finest college QB performances I've ever seen), but he's a horrible red zone QB and is most likely on the downward slide. SD fans want him gone. Newton was a freak, but a horribly inaccurate passer. Rogers had questions about his accuracy and decision making. Rothlisberger was a smaller school guy who lacked athleticism. Plus he's a stupid raper. Griffin was a third rounder up until the last quarter of his final season where he won the Heisman and hit the combine. And I still don't like his game, especially considering his size. He's not thickly muscled like Vick or huge like Steve Young. When he's sitting on the bench due to injury, all those draft picks given up don't look so good.

A guy that's rated somewhere around the 15-30th best football player in the 2013 draft?

NFL has him as the fifth rated player. Chiefs have him as the seventh. And, IMO, there isn't a guy in this draft that has the potential/ceiling Geno does for their respective positions.

The hyperbole surrounding Smith in this forum has reached an all-time high.

Wait until the end of this month after the combine. This is nothing.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Yep. All day long.

At the same stage, Smith is a more accurate and accomplished passer than any of these guys.



Not really. I think he's that good or, at least, has that much in terms of potential. I've watched him a ton. He's got all the tools, experience, size, arm strength, work ethic, etc.

As well, you are living in a revisionist, hindsight world a bit.

Eli wasn't the end all be all and really benefitted from the family name more than anything. As well, up until that first Super Bowl/Playoff run, there were the rumors of him being a bust. Rivers hasn't done jack shit. Very accurate college passer (that KU/NCST bowl game was one of the finest college QB performances I've ever seen), but he's a horrible red zone QB and is most likely on the downward slide. SD fans want him gone. Newton was a freak, but a horribly inaccurate passer. Rogers had questions about his accuracy and decision making. Rothlisberger was a smaller school guy who lacked athleticism. Plus he's a stupid raper. Griffin was a third rounder up until the last quarter of his final season where he won the Heisman and hit the combine. And I still don't like his game, especially considering his size. He's not thickly muscled like Vick or huge like Steve Young. When he's sitting on the bench due to injury, all those draft picks given up don't look so good.



NFL has him as the fifth rated player. Chiefs have him as the seventh. And, IMO, there isn't a guy in this draft that has the potential/ceiling Geno does for their respective positions.



Wait until the end of this month after the combine. This is nothing.

Personally, I think Geno being the 1st pick or not is going to come down to the interviews and meetings with coaches and front office people. The mini meltdowns on the sidelines are the only drawback to Geno I can see. He ace's that part of the draft process, and he is the pick.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What?

You'd take Smith over Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton and RGIII?

I'm sorry but you're ****ing insane.

A guy that's rated somewhere around the 15-30th best football player in the 2013 draft?

The hyperbole surrounding Smith in this forum has reached an all-time high.

THIS

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Nassib for starters.

And I would like to see who you'd take Geno over since you said he's one of the best prospects in the last 10 years.