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Old 08-24-2012, 11:15 AM   #1
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I wonder what the reasoning would be for their actions if he wasn't cheating.
There's only one group of people that thinks an American with one nut can't take out all of Europe.

Hint: they're pissed off and in Europe...
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:17 AM   #2
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I wonder what the reasoning would be for their actions if he wasn't cheating.
Travis Tygart's ego, possibly.
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USADA is engaging in a dick move supreme. What is the point of this witch hunt?
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:04 AM   #4
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USADA is engaging in a dick move supreme. What is the point of this witch hunt?
That was my real question, what was the point.

The dude has been fighting the charges for years, and has always come out on top, why waste more money on a lawyer just to repeat it again next year with some other group?
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:06 AM   #5
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That was my real question, what was the point.

The dude has been fighting the charges for years, and has always come out on top, why waste more money on a lawyer just to repeat it again next year with some other group?
And a group which doesn't have the power or jurisdiction to strip Armstrong of his TDF victories. USADA is also tax-payer funded.
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And a group which doesn't have the power or jurisdiction to strip Armstrong of his TDF victories. USADA is also tax-payer funded.
Oh no. Please don't tell me that you're going to come down on the, "It's Obama trying to destroy an American icon!" theory that I've seen passed off in a few places.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:09 AM   #7
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Oh no. Please don't tell me that you're going to come down on the, "It's Obama trying to destroy an American icon!" theory that I've seen passed off in a few places.
Not at all. Just stating a fact.
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And a group which doesn't have the power or jurisdiction to strip Armstrong of his TDF victories. USADA is also tax-payer funded.
Ok, so for all you people that think NASA is a waste of money I'm ready to take arguments on why litigation vs. a guy with one nut who rides a bicycle for a living isn't...
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And a group which doesn't have the power or jurisdiction to strip Armstrong of his TDF victories. USADA is also tax-payer funded.
Yup, the whole thing is a complete head scratcher. Especially after he retired.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:28 AM   #10
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And a group which doesn't have the power or jurisdiction to strip Armstrong of his TDF victories.
Actually, they do. USADA works under WADA rules/authority and according to those waiving the hearing means USADA gets to make a "reasoned decision" based on the evidence they have and submit a "reasoned decision explaining the action."

UCI has to await this, then issue the formal notice. If they fail to do this, they're in non-compliance with WADA code.

UCI could take USADA's ruling to CAS, but that would come at significant cost and it seems that USADA is chomping at the bit to present the case, while I really doubt UCI want the full details of the entire conspiracy case (It's important to remember Lance isn't the only one implicated here, just the highest profile; he is, however, the only one who seems to be taking his ball and going home (heh).) to see the light of day. They have enough issues with their credibility as it is.
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Actually, they do. USADA works under WADA rules/authority and according to those waiving the hearing means USADA gets to make a "reasoned decision" based on the evidence they have and submit a "reasoned decision explaining the action."

UCI has to await this, then issue the formal notice. If they fail to do this, they're in non-compliance with WADA code.

UCI could take USADA's ruling to CAS, but that would come at significant cost and it seems that USADA is chomping at the bit to present the case, while I really doubt UCI want the full details of the entire conspiracy case (It's important to remember Lance isn't the only one implicated here, just the highest profile; he is, however, the only one who seems to be taking his ball and going home (heh).) to see the light of day. They have enough issues with their credibility as it is.
I know. Perhaps I should have been clearer: USADA can't, by itself, strip Armstrong of his TDF victories. UCI can.
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That was my real question, what was the point.

The dude has been fighting the charges for years, and has always come out on top, why waste more money on a lawyer just to repeat it again next year with some other group?
Yep. Lance has passed enough tests and won enough times in courts on two continents. He doesn't have to defend himself in these endless witch hunts anymore.
**** USADA. They need to focus their efforts on current athletes instead of wasting tax $$ on trying to make an example of a legend.
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Let me preface this by saying I am not a Lance Armstrong fan. When he was coming up from the Junior ranks I did a couple races with him, and IMO he is a arogant prick.
All the evidence is there to anybody that will open there eyes. The mid 90's and early
2000's were the EPO era. They should just vacate those 7 years and not award anyone the victor. He just shoulda came clean like Barne Riis and admitted he doped, (like all the top 20) during those years. But instead he played that same old broken record about being tested 500 times. **** that. When the UCI became Armstrongs puppet it was game over, advantage Armstrong. Watch the 2003 Tour on Youtube...funny as hell, the grupetto hitting the brakes going around mountain bends. Gimmie a break.
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Let me preface this by saying I am not a Lance Armstrong fan. When he was coming up from the Junior ranks I did a couple races with him, and IMO he is a arogant prick.
All the evidence is there to anybody that will open there eyes. The mid 90's and early
2000's were the EPO era. They should just vacate those 7 years and not award anyone the victor. He just shoulda came clean like Barne Riis and admitted he doped, (like all the top 20) during those years. But instead he played that same old broken record about being tested 500 times. **** that. When the UCI became Armstrongs puppet it was game over, advantage Armstrong. Watch the 2003 Tour on Youtube...funny as hell, the grupetto hitting the brakes going around mountain bends. Gimmie a break.
Yeah those grupetto's braking around mountain bends always crack my shit up.
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Yeah those grupetto's braking around mountain bends always crack my shit up.
Yeah I always hit the brakes ascending Alpe d' Huez.

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Ascent timesRank Time Name Year Nationality
01 37' 35" Marco Pantani 1997 Italy
02* 37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 United States
03 38' 00" Marco Pantani 1994 Italy
04 38' 01" Lance Armstrong 2001 United States
05 38' 04" Marco Pantani 1995 Italy
06 38' 23" Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany
07 38' 34" Floyd Landis 2006 United States
08 38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany
09* 38' 37" Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany
10 39' 02" Richard Virenque 1997 France
11 39' 06" Iban Mayo 2003 Spain
12* 39' 17" Andreas Klöden 2004 Germany
13* 39' 21" Jose Azevedo 2004 Portugal
14 39' 28" Miguel Induráin 1995 Spain
15 39' 28" Alex Zülle 1995 Switzerland
16 39' 30" Bjarne Riis 1995 Denmark
17 39' 31" Carlos Sastre 2008 Spain
18 39' 44" Gianni Bugno 1991 Italy
19 39' 45" Miguel Induráin 1991 Spain
20 40' 00" Jan Ullrich 2001 Germany
21 40' 46" Fränk Schleck 2006 Luxembourg
22 40' 51" Alexander Vinokourov 2003 Kazakhstan
23 41' 18" Lance Armstrong 2003 United States
24 41' 21" Samuel Sánchez 2011 Spain
25 41' 30" Alberto Contador 2011 Spain
26 41' 46" Cadel Evans 2008 Australia
27 41' 50" Laurent Fignon 1989 France
28 41' 50" Luis Herrera 1987 Colombia
29 41' 57" Pierre Rolland 2011 France
30 42' 15" Pedro Delgado 1989 Spain
31 43' 12" Ryder Hesjedal 2011 Canada
32 43' 12" Thomas Danielson 2011 United States
33 45' 20" Gert-Jan Theunisse 1989 Netherlands
34 45' 22" Fausto Coppi 1952 Italy
35 48' 00" Bernard Hinault 1986 France
36 48' 00" Greg Lemond 1986 United States


Hint...all the top ten

Armstrong is a fraud.
He cheated real athletes
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