Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Oh jesus, that's rich.

Some of these guys won't give him a chance to prove himself unless he wins the damn Super Bowl.

'Because championships are all that matters' or some other such absurdity.

Guy took a 2 win team to an 11 (and counting) win season and in so doing will account for 4k yards of total offense with a 90+ passer rating and these assclowns are still just waiting for him to lose so they can savage the guy.

For over 60 NFL starts he's been exactly this quarterback. A guy that's going to give you a 90ish passer rating, a 60% completion percentage and isn't going to turn the ball over. And for some this kind of QB essentially grows on trees and has next to no value.

Makes sense.

Winning

[kcxiv]

why you guys continue to argue with a troll is mindboggling. Its like when LAChiefsfan would troll the board hardcore about Matt Cassel yet guys thought he was actually serious. lol He sent me a PM once saying, shhh,,dont ruin it, this is fun or something along those lines. lol Yet, people would get all huffy and puffy towards him.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm saying that these aren't by and large the same people that have backed Alex Smith.

I've long been one of the loudest "Manning over Brady" guys. I've touted Rivers for years when everyone else hated him. I've never been a huge Ryan fan, but that's not because of his playoff record; I just think he's a little overrated.

And many are in the same boat as I am.

Like I said - I think your thesis is flawed. There are people that slam that group, sure, but that particular group isn't limited to Alex Smith fans, nor are Alex Smith fans by disproportionately a part of that group.

You're trying to create a boogeyman here that doesn't exist.

And I think you're the exception, and not the rule.

[mschiefs1984]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Oh jesus, that's rich.

Some of these guys won't give him a chance to prove himself unless he wins the damn Super Bowl.

'Because championships are all that matters' or some other such absurdity.

Guy took a 2 win team to an 11 (and counting) win season and in so doing will account for 4k yards of total offense with a 90+ passer rating and these assclowns are still just waiting for him to lose so they can savage the guy.

For over 60 NFL starts he's been exactly this quarterback. A guy that's going to give you a 90ish passer rating, a 60% completion percentage and isn't going to turn the ball over. And for some this kind of QB essentially grows on trees and has next to no value.

Makes sense.

THIS

[Brock]

He's finally playing like the above average qb I knew he was. I'm happy.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Can't wait till the playoffs to start, it will prove if Alex Smith isn't shit or not. Does he join Dawson, Montana, and DeBerg or is he Bono, Grbac, Green, Kenney, Cassel?

Yes, because if he loses a playoff game this year, it's a forecast for what's to come. The book will be written. Yawn.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I really don't want to get into this argument, but I have to say something.

The overwhelming majority of the posters who have "defended" Alex Smith from the get-go are also the posters who take any and every opportunity to bash QB's like Ryan, Peyton, Romo and Rivers (among others) for being "playoff chokers".

So why exactly is is OK to judge other QB's by playoff wins, but not AS?

Largely in part because, and I can only speak for myself, I don't believe that "QB's" win SB's. There are also extenuating circumstances, like anything else here, it's not all black and white.

The media is always going to judge QB's by SB wins. Look at Eli Manning. There is not reason that the Giants shouldn't look to blow that thing up, Eli included. He's an inconsistent QB who got hot 2 (with the assistance of an unbelievable DL and equally as hot team around him) times and won 2 SB's, which now are going to be used to blind the front office in NY to keep him. He's also 32 years old.

I'm also not saying he shouldn't be held accountable if he gags in Indy and we lose because he throws a few picks, etc. If he's an obvious reason we take a loss in a few weeks, sure, judge him on that. But many here have just prolonged the witch hunt on the guy throughout the year into now making it a position that his fate will be determined in the playoffs. I don't think thats necessarily fair.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm saying that these aren't by and large the same people that have backed Alex Smith.

I've long been one of the loudest "Manning over Brady" guys. I've touted Rivers for years when everyone else hated him. I've never been a huge Ryan fan, but that's not because of his playoff record; I just think he's a little overrated.

And many are in the same boat as I am.

Like I said - I think your thesis is flawed. There are people that slam that group, sure, but that particular group isn't limited to Alex Smith fans, nor are Alex Smith fans by disproportionately a part of that group.

You're trying to create a boogeyman here that doesn't exist.

That's what a lot of the most vocal naysayers will do. It's a convenient out. Make blanket statements like "the vast majority of the Alex Smith supporters, are the most vocal against Brady, Peyton, etc.."

I'm not one of those people and to be honest, I haven't seen a majority in this sense either.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And I think you're the exception, and not the rule.

Since he is the exception and it happens all the time, you should have no problem pointing out someone who thinks Manning Rivers and Ryan
"Did does and will always suck" which is, ya know, what this thread and it's bitches imply about A Smith.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

And I think you're the exception, and not the rule.

I didn't make the blanket generalization without providing support for same.

You did.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

That's what a lot of the most vocal naysayers will do. It's a convenient out. Make blanket statements like "the vast majority of the Alex Smith supporters, are the most vocal against Brady, Peyton, etc.."

I'm not one of those people and to be honest, I haven't seen a majority in this sense either.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I didn't make the blanket generalization without providing support for same.

You did.

You both are two of my favorite and respected posters, but you must have your head in the sand - this place has overwhelmingly been critical of damn near every elite/near-elite QB in the league, while bending over backwards to defend whoever is currently wearing the Arrowhead on their helmet, regardless of performance.

While it may not apply to YOU, it certainly has existed for as long as I've been a poster here.

With that said, I've been pleased with Smith's play of late, and it appears he'll end up right around where I expected him to - 3500/25.

That's good enough to win in the regular season - we'll find out soon enough if it's enough to win when it matters.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You both are two of my favorite and respected posters, but you must have your head in the sand - this place has overwhelmingly been critical of damn near every elite/near-elite QB in the league, while bending over backwards to defend whoever is currently wearing the Arrowhead on their helmet, regardless of performance.

While it may not apply to YOU, it certainly has existed for as long as I've been a poster here.

With that said, I've been pleased with Smith's play of late, and it appears he'll end up right around where I expected him to - 3500/25.

That's good enough to win in the regular season - we'll find out soon enough if it's enough to win when it matters.

Maybe you should stop paying so much attention to the idiots. It's basically teh same guys who are "yeah, 10-6 this year, wohoo" every year.

The vocal idiots we could call them.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You both are two of my favorite and respected posters, but you must have your head in the sand - this place has overwhelmingly been critical of damn near every elite/near-elite QB in the league, while bending over backwards to defend whoever is currently wearing the Arrowhead on their helmet, regardless of performance.

While it may not apply to YOU, it certainly has existed for as long as I've been a poster here.

With that said, I've been pleased with Smith's play of late, and it appears he'll end up right around where I expected him to - 3500/25.

That's good enough to win in the regular season - we'll find out soon enough if it's enough to win when it matters.

Winner.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You both are two of my favorite and respected posters, but you must have your head in the sand - this place has overwhelmingly been critical of damn near every elite/near-elite QB in the league, while bending over backwards to defend whoever is currently wearing the Arrowhead on their helmet, regardless of performance.

While it may not apply to YOU, it certainly has existed for as long as I've been a poster here.

With that said, I've been pleased with Smith's play of late, and it appears he'll end up right around where I expected him to - 3500/25.

That's good enough to win in the regular season - we'll find out soon enough if it's enough to win when it matters.

I find it strange that I took so much flak for betting that Smith would throw for over 3400 yards this season and now every early detractor I've encountered had him at 3500 yards and 25 TDs which just amazingly is dead on.
Hell, Clay had him there too. Amazing.
ALL career highs too.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by O.city

Maybe you should stop paying so much attention to the idiots. It's basically teh same guys who are "yeah, 10-6 this year, wohoo" every year.

The vocal idiots we could call them.

Hard not to pay attention to the "idiots" when they make up the majority of the board.