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03-21-2024, 12:10 PM | #1 |
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**** that high horse bullshit. He was the greatest hitter of his day, maybe all time.
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03-21-2024, 12:31 PM | #3 | |
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03-21-2024, 12:34 PM | #4 |
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I agree there are lots of players in baseball who are blackballed for the wrong reason. Curt schilling is an obvious one. But gambling on your own team is a whole different animal.
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His last 1,500 hits came when he was an average, at best, big league hitter. And for his last 1,000 of those he was fairly well worthless. And since he couldn't play defense and he played in the National League, they had to plug him in at 1b where dragging along a weak hitter is doubly damaging. "Hey Mike Schmidt - we know you guys missed the playoffs by 2 games in '82 and the Cardinals ended up winning in your place while Pete Rose gave you absolutely ****-all at 1b - but hey, he hit 150 singles that year, man!" Pete Rose wasn't the greatest anything of his day, certainly not of all time. He might be - might be - one of the 25 best hitters of all time. But he wasn't even the best hitter on his own team during his day. That was Mike Schmidt. He's not the greatest switch hitter of all time - that's Mickey Mantle and/or Chipper Jones. He's not the greatest contact hitter of all time - that's Tony Gwynn. He's just a guy that put up numbers because he refused to quit and his team refused to fire him.
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03-21-2024, 03:28 PM | #7 |
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Well he certainly has the martyr half of it down pat...
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But take away the gaudy hit totals through being a compiler and was he noticeably better than Craig Biggio? I'm not saying he's not a HoF caliber guy. He was for the first 2/3 of his career. But his legendary status is built on numbers he never should've stuck around to build up. It's similar to Ripken in that regard. Cal was not a good player for the latter half of his career. He probably should've been taking days off. But in the ends a record meant more to him than the teams record. And it paid off for him - we remember him as a legend because of a record he never should've broken in the first place.
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