**** OFFICIAL 2013-2014 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread, Part 2 ****

[ArrowheadHawk]

#10 (23-8,14-4)

Players

Spoiler!

Returning Players
1 Naadir Tharpe Guard 5-11 170 Jr.
3 Andrew White III Guard 6-6 210 So.
4 Justin Wesley Forward 6-9 220 RS Sr.
10 Evan Manning Guard 6-3 170 So.
11 Tyler Self Guard 6-2 165 So.
20 Niko Roberts Guard 5-11 175 Sr.
21 Christian Garrett Guard 6-3 185 Jr.
31 Jamari Traylor Forward 6-8 220 RS So.
33 Landen Lucas Forward 6-10 240 RS Fr.
34 Perry Ellis Forward 6-8 225 So.

Incoming Class
SF ***** Wayne Selden
C ***** Joel Embiid
PG **** Conner Frankamp
SF **** Brannen Greene
PG **** Frank Mason
SF ***** Andrew Wiggins

Transfers
Hunter Mickelson
Tarik Black

Non Conference

Spoiler!

11/8/2013 Louisiana Monroe Lawrence, Kan. W(80-63) (1-0)
11/12/2013 Duke Chicago, Ill. W(94-83) (2-0)
11/19/2013 Iona Lawrence, Kan. W(86-66) (3-0)
11/22/2013 Towson W(88-58) (4-0)
11/28/2013 Wake Forest Paradise Island, Bahamas W(87-78) (5-0)
11/29/2013 Villanova Paradise Island, Bahamas L(59-63) (5-1)
11/30/2013 UTEP Paradise Island, Bahamas W(67-63) (6-1)
12/7/2013 Colorado Boulder, Colo. L(72-75) (6-2)
12/10/2013 Florida Gainesville, Fla. L(61-67) (6-3)
12/14/2013 New Mexico Kansas City, Mo. W(80-63)(7-3)
12/21/2013 Georgetown Lawrence, Kan. W(86-64)(8-3)
12/30/2013 Toledo Lawrence, Kan. W(93-83)(9-3)
1/5/2014 San Diego State Lawrence, Kan. L(57-61)(9-4)

Conference

Spoiler!

1/8/2014 Oklahoma Norman, Okla. W(90-83)(10-4,1-0)
1/11/2014 Kansas State Lawrence, Kan. W(86-60)(11-4,2-0)
1/13/2014 Iowa State Ames, Iowa W(77-70)(12-4,3-0)
1/18/2014 Oklahoma State Lawrence, Kan. W(80-78)(13-4,4-0)
1/20/2014 Baylor Lawrence, Kan. W(78-68)(14-4,5-0)
1/25/2014 TCU Fort Worth, Texas W(91-69)(15-4,6-0)
1/29/2014 Iowa State Lawrence, Kan. W(92-81)(16-4,7-0)
2/1/2014 Texas Austin, Texas L(69-81)(16-5,7-1)
2/4/2014 Baylor Waco, Texas W(69-52)(17-5,8-1)
2/8/2014 West Virginia Lawrence, Kan. W(83-69)(18-5,9-1)
2/10/2014 Kansas State Manhattan, Kan. L(82-85)(18-6,9-2)
2/15/2014 TCU Lawrence, Kan. W(95-65)(19-6,10-2)
2/18/2014 Texas Tech Lubbock, Texas W(64-63)(20-6,11-2)
2/22/2014 Texas Lawrence, Kan. W(85-54)(21-6,12-2)
2/24/2014 Oklahoma Lawrence, Kan. W(83-75)(22-6,13-2)
3/1/2014 Oklahoma State Stillwater, Okla. L(65-72)(22-7,13-3)
3/5/2014 Texas Tech Lawrence, Kan. W(82-57)(23-7,14-3)
3/8/2014 West Virginia Morgantown, W. Va. L(86-92)(23-8,14-4)

Big 12 Championship
3/13/2014 Texas Tech/Oklahoma State Kansas City, Mo. 2PM ESPN2

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

No, I'd like them in to make KU's dominance even more impressive.

I like where you're head's at.

[Earthling]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Don't care what anyone nationally thinks. March is a crapshoot. It's the rest of the season that tells you how good a conference is. And the B12, on the whole, has been a top 2 or 3 conference in the country over the entirety of Self's run here.

Yep and that's why Selfs' 9 (10 probably) Big 12 championships are totally amazing.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Don't care what anyone nationally thinks. March is a crapshoot.

If that was true, the Big 12 is never on the fortunate side of the crapshoot.

It's the rest of the season that tells you how good a conference is. And the B12, on the whole, has been a top 2 or 3 conference in the country over the entirety of Self's run here.

I'd like to see your evidence it was better than the Big East or ACC. No way in hell. I doubt it was better than the Big 10 although that one might be closer without looking up the data. I'll stipulate that a conference's quality is more than 1-2 teams doing well in March (that's what the SEC homers argue), but you have to do something in March to be considered a great league.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Jimmy Dykes said Embiid is the best player in the country, Bill Walton called Embiid a "sports changer" tonight. Dykes also believes KU and Arizona are the best two teams in the country.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

If that was true, the Big 12 is never on the fortunate side of the crapshoot.

It is true, it's the NCAA tournament. There is no greater crapshoot in sports. And KU has been fortunate several times.

I'd like to see your evidence it was better than the Big East or ACC. No way in hell. I doubt it was better than the Big 10 although that one might be closer without looking up the data. I'll stipulate that a conference's quality is more than 1-2 teams doing well in March (that's what the SEC homers argue), but you have to do something in March to be considered a great league.

Since 2008, the B12 has ranked among conferences 1st, 2nd, 1st, 3rd, 2nd, 6th, and 2nd in terms of average efficiency of all teams (KenPom), an average ranking of 2.42.

The B10 over the same time period was 5th, 5th, 4th, 1st, 1st, 1st, and 1st (2.57).

The BE was 4th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, and 3rd (3.00).

The ACC was 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 4th, and 4th (3.57).

The P10 was 2nd, 1st, 6th, 5th, 8th, 3rd, and 5th (4.29).

The SEC was 6th, 6th, 5th, 7th, 4th, 7th, and 6th (5.86).

Please stop trying to diminish KU's accomplishments over this time period. What you're saying makes no sense. Other than the B10 in recent years, the B12 has consistently been as strong a basketball conference as any in the country.

[KC_Connection]

And if you don't trust KenPom's efficiency numbers, here are the conference rankings over the same time using Sagarin:

B12 was 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, and 2nd (2.14).

B10 was 6th, 1st, 4th, 2nd, 1st, 1st, and 1st (2.28).

BE was 3rd, 4th, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 2nd, and 4th (2.86).

P10 was 1st, 3rd, 6th, 5th, 6th, 5th, and 3rd (4.14).

ACC was 4th, 5th, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 5th (4.43).

SEC was 5th, 6th, 5th, 6th, 4th, 7th, and 6th (5.57).

[Silock]

It would be interesting to see those numbers if you exclude KU.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Silock

It would be interesting to see those numbers if you exclude KU.

You'd have to do the same with every conference's best team then. Imagine the former ACC without Duke?

[Silock]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

You'd have to do the same with every conference's best team then. Imagine the former ACC without Duke?

I don't think you HAVE to. I'm just curious in the difference that KU makes in the overall numbers.

I bet it's an overall average higher than the impact that the top teams have on the other conferences. Partly because we tend to be ranked very, very highly in Kenpom.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Silock

I don't think you HAVE to. I'm just curious in the difference that KU makes in the overall numbers.

I bet it's an overall average higher than the impact that the top teams have on the other conferences. Partly because we tend to be ranked very, very highly in Kenpom.

We're still talking about an average of 10-12 teams (and more in the BE). It wouldn't affect that much. If we really wanted to eliminate meaningful outliers, we'd take out the awful TCUs of the world, not the best teams.

[Silock]

Eliminate TCUs and TTs for a pure numbers increase.

As I said, though, I'm more interested in just how MUCH better KU is than the rest of the Big 12. I suspect that KU is better than the rest of the Big 12 to a greater degree than other top programs are better than their respective conferences.

And that's not a slight on the Big 12. It's just that KU has been THAT GOOD. You don't get to be the winningest team in the past decade by accident.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

Jimmy Dykes said Embiid is the best player in the country, Bill Walton called Embiid a "sports changer" tonight. Dykes also believes KU and Arizona are the best two teams in the country.

Jimmy Dykes is an idiot.....does KU have "it" this year or are we still in the back of the plane?

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

It is true, it's the NCAA tournament. There is no greater crapshoot in sports. And KU has been fortunate several times.

Try answering my question next time. I said how come the Big 12 schools aren't ever on the right side of luck? You responded only with KU. Completely avoiding the point. (Incidentally KU is neither lucky nor unlucky over the long haul or under Self)

Since 2008, the B12 has ranked among conferences 1st, 2nd, 1st, 3rd, 2nd, 6th, and 2nd in terms of average efficiency of all teams (KenPom), an average ranking of 2.42.

The B10 over the same time period was 5th, 5th, 4th, 1st, 1st, 1st, and 1st (2.57).

The BE was 4th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, and 3rd (3.00).

The ACC was 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 4th, and 4th (3.57).

The P10 was 2nd, 1st, 6th, 5th, 8th, 3rd, and 5th (4.29).

The SEC was 6th, 6th, 5th, 7th, 4th, 7th, and 6th (5.86).

Please stop trying to diminish KU's accomplishments over this time period. What you're saying makes no sense. Other than the B10 in recent years, the B12 has consistently been as strong a basketball conference as any in the country.

You said "Since Self arrived". I wasn't aware he arrived in 2008. But now I know.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Lol we had you beat twice last year and you know it. You're crazy if you don't think Iowa State is on the ups. Not many coaches can turn a program around as fast as Fred has, and it's even more amazing he's doing as a first time head coach.

Like I said before the season started, this year was kind of a question mark with potential... But next years team is where our biggest leap is made.

OK

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Jimmy Dykes is an idiot.....does KU have "it" this year or are we still in the back of the plane?

Lol yeah I remember him saying that in 07-08. He has an obsession for the SEC and UK.