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'Hamas' Jenkins · 10:01 AM

Year two of the Barry Odom era begins in a little over a month.

2017 Schedule:

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Hamas' Crystal ball says 6-6 w/ two SEC wins (SC @ home and @Vandy).

Recruiting:

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BlackHelicopters · 11-28-2017, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Many of those contracts also contain amounts that can be spent on assistants. With rumors that Heupel might be interested in moving onto a head coaching gig at a small school (I believe South Alabama is the rumor du jour), maybe they're trying to funnel more money into assistants as well as part of Odom's extension so he can hold onto Heupel.

I'd probably wait one more year but it isn't uncommon for power 5 head coaches to get another year tacked on earlier in their deal so that they're always sitting with a 'full class' left on their deal. It can't hurt in recruiting, especially in the cuthroat SEC where everyone negatively recruits the hell out of everyone else.

No doubt you are correct. I am very much for giving Odom a raise, and Josh a large raise and extension. Large amounts, as you know, need to be spent on defensive coaching upgrades and defensive talent upgrades . We know how the game works. Money needs to made available in whatever fashion) to get more defensive on field talent to CoMo.

BryanBusby · 11-28-2017, 02:57 PM

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Yeah, I expect they probably could. But if you extend a HC, that gives his assistants security as well, not just the recruits.

If you're afraid of losing Heupel, you give him a raise and you extend the HC that gave him the gig. That's the best way to keep him over losing him to a DII school with a HC gig.

I'm not sure how much exactly they can do if Heupel wants to work his way up as a HC.

They have saved a lot of money recently so they should spend some of it though.

DJ's left nut · 11-28-2017, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I'm not sure how much exactly they can do if Heupel wants to work his way up as a HC.

They have saved a lot of money recently so they should spend some of it though.

Looks like your average Sun Belt Conference coach makes about what Heupel is making right now. If Southern Alabama wanted to really splurge and offer him $1 million they might be able to pull that off, but they'd be pretty far out of line with the rest of the conference if they did that. Seems like a reach for a program that probably isn't churning out revenue.

I'd think that Mizzou could take Heupel to $750K without too much trouble. If you could just get 2 more good years out of him here to stabilize the offense/program, he'd be worth winning a couple of bidding wars for. There's just been too much turnover in the last 2-3 years; they need to calm the waters and keeping Heupel around (with the security of Odom's likely 5 year commitment) would sure help in that regard.

DJ's left nut · 11-28-2017, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop

No doubt you are correct. I am very much for giving Odom a raise, and Josh a large raise and extension. Large amounts, as you know, need to be spent on defensive coaching upgrades and defensive talent upgrades . We know how the game works. Money needs to made available in whatever fashion) to get more defensive on field talent to CoMo.

I don't think they need to throw a ton at defensive coaching upgrades - I think they have the guys on hand they need.

I think they really like what they have in Ryan Walters and I think that's with good cause. I think Brick Haley is starting to have an impact as well. And mostly I think Odom would like to remain highly involved in the defensive gameplan. It took a couple of weeks to right the ship but despite defensive personnel that was often athletically limited, the D started to look pretty good. Get a little more explosion in the secondary in at MLB and they'll be back to top tier, IMO.

Odom's never going to be as good an offensive mind as guys that came up on that side of the ball. Heupel will always be a better tactician and gameplanner, IMO. So why not give him even more responsibility there and free up Odom a bit to be more active on defense? I still think Odom is among the brightest defensive minds in the game and think he'd spend the next 30 years making a comfortable living as a successful power 5 DC if we ever fired him. You're unlikely to find a DC better at that role than he is.

So play to his strengths. Let him continue to work with the defense with Walters and Haley as lieutenants and Heupel running the offense.

BryanBusby · 11-28-2017, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Looks like your average Sun Belt Conference coach makes about what Heupel is making right now. If Southern Alabama wanted to really splurge and offer him $1 million they might be able to pull that off, but they'd be pretty far out of line with the rest of the conference if they did that. Seems like a reach for a program that probably isn't churning out revenue.

I'd think that Mizzou could take Heupel to $750K without too much trouble. If you could just get 2 more good years out of him here to stabilize the offense/program, he'd be worth winning a couple of bidding wars for. There's just been too much turnover in the last 2-3 years; they need to calm the waters and keeping Heupel around (with the security of Odom's likely 5 year commitment) would sure help in that regard.

I'm not even sure what Heupel is making, but if its under 500 than holy shit give him a raise.

BlackHelicopters · 11-28-2017, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I don't think they need to throw a ton at defensive coaching upgrades - I think they have the guys on hand they need.

I think they really like what they have in Ryan Walters and I think that's with good cause. I think Brick Haley is starting to have an impact as well. And mostly I think Odom would like to remain highly involved in the defensive gameplan. It took a couple of weeks to right the ship but despite defensive personnel that was often athletically limited, the D started to look pretty good. Get a little more explosion in the secondary in at MLB and they'll be back to top tier, IMO.

Odom's never going to be as good an offensive mind as guys that came up on that side of the ball. Heupel will always be a better tactician and gameplanner, IMO. So why not give him even more responsibility there and free up Odom a bit to be more active on defense? I still think Odom is among the brightest defensive minds in the game and think he'd spend the next 30 years making a comfortable living as a successful power 5 DC if we ever fired him. You're unlikely to find a DC better at that role than he is.

So play to his strengths. Let him continue to work with the defense with Walters and Haley as lieutenants and Heupel running the offense.

Odom needs more on field defensive talent. Let’s figure a way to get it to him.

DJ's left nut · 11-28-2017, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I'm not even sure what Heupel is making, but if its under 500 than holy shit give him a raise.

He's at $700K already.

Like I said; we should be able to win a bidding war or two for him against small colleges. Sooner or later someone will come offering him $1.5-2 million to coach a D1 program and we'll lose him; he was never going to be a lifer.

But if we can keep him long enough to establish an identity and a 'coaching tree' for the offensive side of the football, that would be enormous.

ChiefsCountry · 11-28-2017, 03:16 PM

Steckel was making 600k when he was Mizzou's Defensive coordinator for reference. He left for the head job in Springfield for 405k.

DJ's left nut · 11-28-2017, 03:29 PM

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Odom needs more on field defensive talent. Let’s figure a way to get it to him.

I think Sparks will be a player. Aarion Penton will always be one of my favorite Tigers because I hadn't been a season ticketholder for long when he came on the scene and I got to watch him develop week in, week out as an unexpected starter as a freshman due to injury.

Seemingly every game he got just a little bit better. Sparks reminds me a lot of him. Acy has a better pedigree but I think Sparks will be the better player.

What they miss is that hyper-athletic Zaviar Gooden type in the middle and another versatile safety like Braylon Webb. I don't think the talent was that far off; it was just very green and short at a couple of key spots.

DJ's left nut · 11-28-2017, 03:31 PM

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Steckel was making 600k when he was Mizzou's Defensive coordinator for reference. He left for the head job in Springfield for 405k.

Yeah, but I think that was somewhat personal. He got stepped over for the HC gig and I think he was just wanting a change. I think he recognized that at his age, his star wasn't likely to get brighter and when he had an opportunity for the big chair somewhere, he took it.

With Heupel, he could still stay here a bit, improve his stock and get a better offer pretty easily.

But yeah, he may just want to try his hand at being a head coach as quickly as possible and if so, there's not much we can really do to stop it.

Mizzou_8541 · 11-28-2017, 04:08 PM

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I think Sparks will be a player. Aarion Penton will always be one of my favorite Tigers because I hadn't been a season ticketholder for long when he came on the scene and I got to watch him develop week in, week out as an unexpected starter as a freshman due to injury.

Seemingly every game he got just a little bit better. Sparks reminds me a lot of him. Acy has a better pedigree but I think Sparks will be the better player.

What they miss is that hyper-athletic Zaviar Gooden type in the middle and another versatile safety like Braylon Webb. I don't think the talent was that far off; it was just very green and short at a couple of key spots.

Do you think Hall and/or Lee can fit that Gooden type of LB?

GloryDayz · 11-28-2017, 04:27 PM

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The Twitter part said he's has 3 years left, so I am assuming it ends at 2020 if he was hired in 2015.

Hmm, MIZZOU should wait a year or two. Make him produce, then reward him with a couple more years and a nice raise. But winning is EVERYTHING!!

DJ's left nut · 11-28-2017, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou_8541

Do you think Hall and/or Lee can fit that Gooden type of LB?

Nah; Lee's not that kind of athlete, IMO. And he's a strongside guy so he doesn't have the range responsibilities.

Hall...maybe? I don't think he's quite to Gooden's level but Gooden was laughably athletic. That guy would do things that made me shake my head all the time; maybe the best power/speed athlete I've ever seen play for them.

But we're just so spoiled by the players we've had at the Will for the last 10 or so years. Weatherspoon - Gooden - Brothers - Hall. I mean, I'm holding Hall to a "NFL Prospect" bar and that's pretty steep. I think he can get close, but not quite to that level.

Garrett is the guy that needs to be upgraded on; he's just a bit over his head at this level, IMO. Great motor and tries his ass off, but he's just a day late and a dollar short too often. If he's your backup MLB you're in good shape but he's pretty much an every down player for them out there and that's not great.

And honestly, I don't recall there being much behind him, though I may be forgetting someone.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-28-2017, 04:59 PM

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Heard Mike Gundy is interviewing for the Tennessee job. If offered, he's gonna mullet over.

Underrated post is underrated.

Mizzou_8541 · 11-28-2017, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Nah; Lee's not that kind of athlete, IMO. And he's a strongside guy so he doesn't have the range responsibilities.

Hall...maybe? I don't think he's quite to Gooden's level but Gooden was laughably athletic. That guy would do things that made me shake my head all the time; maybe the best power/speed athlete I've ever seen play for them.

But we're just so spoiled by the players we've had at the Will for the last 10 or so years. Weatherspoon - Gooden - Brothers - Hall. I mean, I'm holding Hall to a "NFL Prospect" bar and that's pretty steep. I think he can get close, but not quite to that level.

Garrett is the guy that needs to be upgraded on; he's just a bit over his head at this level, IMO. Great motor and tries his ass off, but he's just a day late and a dollar short too often. If he's your backup MLB you're in good shape but he's pretty much an every down player for them out there and that's not great.

And honestly, I don't recall there being much behind him, though I may be forgetting someone.

Burkett/Biesel?

It seemed both Lee and Hall made some amazing periodically during the year, but would also disappear for quarters or more. I was hoping it was youth and inexperience. I like Garrett as well, but yes it’s clear he’s about a half step slow.

Thanks for the response.

07-20-2017, 07:10 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	**Official 2017 Missouri Tigers Football Thread Year two of the Barry Odom era begins in a little over a month. 2017 Schedule: Spoiler! 9/2: vs Southwest Missouri State 9/9: vs South Carolina 9/16: vs Purdue 9/23: vs Auburn 10/7: @Kentucky 10/14: @Georgia 10/21: vs Idaho 10/28 @UConn 11/4: vs Florida 11/11: vs Tennessee 11/18: @Vanderbilt 11/24: @Arkansas Hamas' Crystal ball says 6-6 w/ two SEC wins (SC @ home and @Vandy). Recruiting: Bold=Signed LOI Spoiler! Commitments: Daniel Parker Jr, DE: ** 5.8 RR, Blue Springs, MO Antar Thompson, DT: * 5.7 RR, Highland C.C. (JUCO), KS Mike Ruth, OL: * 5.6 RR, Coppell, TX Danny Gray, WR: , 5.7 RR, Dallas, TX* Harry Ballard III, WR: , 5.5 RR, Ellisville, MS* Jalen Knox, RB: *, 5.7 RR, Arlington, TX Tyrone Collins, DB, , 5.5 RR, Bradenton, FL Kam Scott, WR: , 5.7 RR, Manvel, TX Chad Bailey, LB: , 5.8 RR, Missouri City, TX Cameron Wilkins, LB: , 5.6 RR, Del Valle, TX* Jarvis Ware, CB: , 5.3 RR, Apopka, FL Trajan Jeffcoat, DE: *, 5.5 RR, Columbia, SC Gerald Nathan Jr., LB: , 5.5 RR, Charlotte, NC* Chris Mills, DB: , 5.5 RR, Converse, TX* Dominic Gicinto, WR: , 5.3 RR, Raytown, MO Javon Foster, OL: , 5.3 RR, West Bloomfield, MI Khmari Thompson, WR: , 5.5 RR, Lawrenceville, GA* Sami Bakare, RB: , 5.4 RR, Austin, TX Nick Bolton, LB, , 5.6 RR, Frisco, TX Xavier Delgado, OT, , 5.5 RR, Glendale, AZ Bobby Lawrence, OL, , 5.4 RR, St. Joseph, MO Lindsey Scott Jr. QB, , 5.7 RR, Scooby MS (JUCO)* Jatorian Hansford, LB, , 5.6 RR, Forsyth, GA* Tyler Badie, RB, , 5.3 RR, Memphis, TN** There are several key recruits in state this year, and Missouri is not off to a promising start. There are seven 4* players within the state and thus far Missouri has no commitments. Texas and Nebraska both have one. If Odom cannot lock down a good portion of this in-state talent crop, it's unlikely he sees his second recruiting class graduate. Last edited by 'Hamas' Jenkins; 02-07-2018 at 10:01 AM..
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